Looked at eBay. I oughta sell stuff there.

I've mailed a pair of 36' Outerknown Apex all-welded shorts that, as explained above, turned out to be a bit loose on my waist. Anyone else interested? Would work for someone who normally wears a 38 boardshort, or 36 and is pretty tight. Outseam is 20.5" by my measurement. PM me.

Spot on Goldfinger. I wear size 34 everything, Hurley baggies, jeans, shorts etc, loose and comfy. Got the Birdwell I ordered and there size 34 makes me feel like OJ trying on the glove. Felt like my organs were being vacuum bagged. So tight you can tell my parents were catholic. I turned sideways and wanted to smack myself on the ass. Yeah, they are going back for some 36's...