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"another 500 unaccounted for" the whole thing is shameful.

Which aspect do you consider shameful? I don't necessarily disagree...certainly "a shame"...but it's not clear that any negligence was at root. If it was poor part selection due to price, or if the valve was not adequately maintained, then maybe shameful. But if the valve "just broke" there may not be much that could have been done about the situation.

I don't understand the unaccounted for part. Did the poo evaporate? Did someone steal it? Seems like 500 gallons of stinky human waste should be fairly noticeable.

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Edited: 08/13/2019 at 04:41 PM by SurfCaster

But, regardless, please remember that The Shit Has Got To Flow.

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Dora Hates You

beachside water arriving from mel with no chlorine and testing regularly positive for bacteria and off color/undrinkable. sewage spillage due to heavy rainfall events. yup, let's keep increasing density without infrastructure improvements. airforce and epa refusing to clean up dump under homes or even admit is exists that is killing people. houston we gotta problem

I'm getting quotes for whole house filtration. Things are getting third world, have to fend for yourself.

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500 gallons = approx 10 drums of sewage.............. that much could easily percolate in to the soil/ sand..... not a huge release, but still no bueno! I would like to know exactly how the valve "failed". I am guessing a more electromechanical issue with a valve actuator or logic control issue with a panel. Valves don't just "fail" mechanically unless gross negligence of maintenance occurred - which is quite possible given the poor record of municipalities.

The "End of the Line" for Melbourne's already terrible water supply.

Way back in the late 1970s I worked in the machine tool maintenance group at Documation in Palm Bay. I was working on getting new supplier for the water soluble cutting fluids. The head sales guy showed up with two (2) 1/2 gallon Nalgene jugs that he wanted filled with our water. He was going to take it back to his lab for analysis and from there his company would produce a cutting fluid that would be optimized on our water supply. We (him and I) filled them up at the closest hand washing station.

About 2 weeks later he called me up and he was pretty upset, saying that he thought he was clear when he told me he wanted a sample of our "Good" drinking kind of water! Hmmmmmm? I told him that we did. He came in the next week with 2 new jugs and I clearly showed him where the city (Melbourne) water came into the building, where the piping split off going here-and-there, and where the one pipe ended at the washing sink. He filled up and was on his way.

He called back in a week laughing! His lab folks had roundly chastised him for bringing back "tramp water" again! He had to explain to them that he witnessed the whole collection process. They damn near died laughing about how crap like that could be considered safe for human consumption!!!!!

And, also, the actual, old, dump at Patrick was to the west of the end of the runway, taking up what is the southern portion of what was called the "Survival Area". It was not where South Patrick Shores is now located. My father was a photog with the original RCA crew that flew over Brevard in the old B-17s to take survey photos for the emerging AFETR, and he kept original copies which he gave to the County way-back-when when the whole Toxic Neighborhood issue came up.

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Dora Hates You

except you are wrong. ive seen pictures showing military dump site over sps. old canal also ran right through sps from base carrying toxic crap. also there are people literally digging up military waste in their yards in sps. there are hundreds of pictures of it online. seen it first hand myself in a friend's yard when helping with landscaping

Melbourne Beach under boil alert till Saturday

Well, no. The actual "dump" where all the nasty, chemical, shit was kept was where I said it was.

But, yes. There is/was all kinds of normal "junk" scattered all around the area south of the base. When your old '27 Ford shit-the-bed, you dumped it in SPS. Not so much to the north because that is where the old Navy housing was. The old houses along A1A northbound, like across from 16th Street are from the 1930s - 40s.

I grew up on N.E. 1st Street, it is all very familiar to me.

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Dora Hates You

explain the old navy and airforce items being found in bulk in people's yards. pretty much a you name it, its been found there: airplane parts, shell casings, drums, military jeep, on and on. yeah people finding non military junk too, but the chemical levels in some soil tests, sheer amount of military items, and cancer cluster overlay matching with the old aerial photos of dump locations south of pineda and old canal. maybe they werent 'officially' dumping there, but both navy and afb were. too much evidence otherwise

lAnDsCaPiNg iN mY fRiEnDs YaRd wE sTuMbLeD aCrOsS A tAnK! Riddlemethis.. Dingpatch was in Brevard County when you weren't even a twinkle in your daddy's eyes... STFU and let him lay the facts down without you disputing everything the man types. Thanks.

That's what the Riddler does to everyone, just an F y I! SAD!

Edited: 08/15/2019 at 08:31 AM by StirfryMcflurry

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Edited: 08/15/2019 at 08:48 AM by Bamboo

As I tried to say, lots of "common" junk was dumped in SPS (not to say that it was all "safe as milk"!). The chemical dump was on the base.

But, that is not to say that there was no "leeching". When I was a kid in SPS '58 and on, the water table was less than elbow deep on me. All the while, the Navy, Air Force and EPA would tell you that they knew it was there but that it would take many decades for it to travel that far/fast!!! We never would have guessed how bad it could/would be. Back in those days, everybody knew that it was "Better Living Through Chemistry"!!!!!

We routinely drank well water when we were thirsty but, it was all fresh artesian from 300 foot deep wells that had positive pressure (no pump needed).

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Dora Hates You

Who remembers all of the old, rusted, car chassis in the surf from Patrick down to Satellite?

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Dora Hates You

all you do is insult people and make trolly comments that you think are witty, but generally just fall flat

I surfed in the bacterial soup two Sundays ago. Since then I've had a week long run of Diarrhea and I'm currently on heavy doses of steroids and antibiotics for a bleeding sinus infection.

But you know what? More cruise ships, more people and total refusal to update our infrastructure is most definitely the answer.

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With my "compromised immune system" from last years Close To Death Chemo, I've been told "Do Not Touch" the water.

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Dora Hates You

Even without any pollution issues you'd be at risk from naturally occurring vibrio. Through staph and such into the mix and it's no bueno.

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I got a sinus and respiratory infection after surfing Ft. Pierce. I just attributed it to visiting my adorable, yet germ ridden niece that gave me Eskimo kisses with a snotty nose.

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I had the shits with fever, chills, and body aches last Thursday. Lasted a day. Don't know if it was food or a virus. I had been a couple of weeks with no ocean time prior to that. I groveled for a few hours on Saturday and I've been fine this week. Meanwhile, Mrs. Scombrid has been doing her best to infest me with a respiratory plague that she caught at work that has been kicking her around since last Sunday. She hasn't been in the ocean in about three weeks.

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speaking of water probs, mel water got hydrants opened up all over beachside atm

There was a boil water notice for south of 5th ave through mel beach so they are probably trying to flush the system..

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neighbor told me that they planned on addressing the issue in sps with water quality. home tests from lowes showing 0 chlorine end of line with coliform present on multiple occasions. i personally havent had discolored water like many more north in the hood, but i have had earthy smelling water several times. some people saying showering in it has made them sick too, but that is probably coincidence imo. easy target for blame and probably just cold/flue/random bugs. sad to pay all this money for water and it not even be fit to give to my dogs. then there is issue with cyanobacteria running amok at lake washington, or so i hear

Edited: 08/16/2019 at 11:28 AM by RiddleMe

Lake Washington is the source for Melbourne water, isn't it?

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Ya, Lake Washington. Organic gator piss.

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Dora Hates You

Can they even filter out toxins from algae?



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buckley plant does lake washington. it uses actiflo not reverse osmosis link here

http://www.epa.gov/ground-wate...drinking-water-systems

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so bad outbreak means toxins even with treatment. well that explains the earthy smell to the water and maybe some of the people getting sick. nice link cole, good info

how about you gfy. i live in the neighborhood and know what is being pulled out of my neighbors yards. there are a couple of collaboration groups online with hundreds of pictures of the shit pulled out of the yards. look for yourself. i mean sure dude, no chemicals in our ground water either right? guess the epa coming out several times and environmental activist erin brockovich getting involved means nothing either? not to mention national coverage on the cancer cluster here. yeah, nothing to see here

Edited: 08/16/2019 at 02:58 AM by RiddleMe

sorry to do this to ding, but this is such a big issue to the area that i have to put correct information out. the reason you dont know about the military dumping is occurred likely before you were born, or were a really young lad. before sps was sps. sps just got fuds eligibility and the gov admits using it as a military dump site. posted link to doc in npnr. probably best to discuss it there since it isnt about surfing. anyhow, here is a quote from the finding:

Edited: 09/12/2019 at 05:14 AM by RiddleMe

Even in this day and age, , , , , , so, I make a large six-figure income, own waterfront, drive a Ferrari, multiple big screen 4ks, latest Galaxy phones, kids go to private schools, etc., , , , , and yet, it seems that I would rather shit in a hole in the backyard than actually pay for proper sewage disposal, , , ,!

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Of course the $Hit was to flow. FL going the way of any other broke a$$ state.

It's so weird how everyone knows that people have f-ed up the environment here locally but some are still climate change deniers.

Priorities need to be rearranged.

Edited: 08/15/2019 at 01:02 PM by Greensleeves

I agree, Too much poop caused too much poop to flow, which was caused by too many Demogoons trying to move here from up north. Climate change has been changing since the planet began, remember Ice Age in 4th grade?, Climate is cyclical, watch the jet stream how it changes winds, which changes rain, which changes weather. Look at the big picture. Pollution is pollution just to cut you off at the pass,

No, you are wrong. July was the hottest month ever recorded since record taking began 140 years ago. It has nothing to do with ice ages, magic or any other BS. We are causing it and it is going to get worse.

Enough of the 1950's way of thinking, we need to address this issue and address it now.

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This guy thinks the problem with air pollution is solved by the wind blowing it away!

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I'm so over the crap water quality here. The summer flatness is getting to me too. Wifey and I have been pondering a move just outside the 'burbs in Colorado where we'd have well water. Even though aquifers can get contaminated too I'd take well water and a basic filtering system over the city water any day.

Here in Suntree we are on Cocoa water. So far, so good.

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Didnt say that said climate changes as time passes, you cannot change the process by all the other offenders magnifying our output. How may of you have quit electricity or cars, boats or evennplanes. Didnt think so

Truth is guys like Al Gore are making money off this scare. Look at his new push for stopping meat as food source, he invested billions in the vegan bs food replacement. He was backing carbon credits, guess who was making money off that? Climate dupers unite but walk the walk if you are gonna talk the talk


Edited: 08/19/2019 at 10:16 AM by cheaterfiveo

Wabasso beach yesterday during the outgoing tide the water came out of the inlet and change the water quality in a matter of minutes. Never seen that before there was such a contrast between clear ocean water and runoff brackish water ECT. It was terrible to see that and Wabasso is miles south of the inlet.

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Hightower brown today 21 Aug 2019
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In a previous thread where I was trying to explain step by step how the exhaust from internal combustion engines is changing our climate we got to the point of dangerous levels of pollution in the LA Basin under certain weather conditions. You said that eventually the wind would blow it away. I gave up my car.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Patrick AFB is one of, if not the hottest spot in the nation for PFCs groundwater contamination, from heavy use of the fire fighting foam made by DuPont. I'm sure there's no shortage of petroleum/jet fuel spills, engine oil and other toxic waste dumping at the base too. Add to the mix unregulated septic tanks, leaking sewage pipes, and a population full of pharmaceuticals and who knows what else. I wouldn't touch water from a surficial well within a few miles of that area. The deep artesian wells should be isolated, assuming the casings intact all the way through the confining layers. Not sure how long those old well casings last, also possible that some artesian wells were installed with open shallow intervals.

beater5 is a science denier. I tell people that surfing is a thinking person's game. But there is no denying that morons surf. People like beater5 are what progress and having a good society are up against. That harmful climate change is being caused by humans is undeniable. Science

That humans will experience problems with water pollution and potable water availability is already happening.

Edited: 08/19/2019 at 08:57 AM by Greensleeves

Hey beater5 is speaking in tongues! "you cannot change the process by all the other offenders magnifying our output" what the he$$?

beater5 has no idea who is doing what for the climate yet laying down uneducated judgement. Just a sad hater preaching the way a curmudgeon does while on the wrong side of where a good human should be.

The algae blooms have brought out all sorts of people like him. In the face of obvious changes in nature a typical thoughtless statement would be "Red tide is natural" Doi. But human waste and pollution has in all likelihood exacerbated the blooms. At the very least humans have thrown the ecosystems out of whack.