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Topic Title: Right wing terrorists murder 49 in New Zealand Topic Summary: Created On: 03/15/2019 05:53 AM |
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- Greensleeves | - 03/15/2019 09:33 AM |
- cheaterfiveo | - 03/16/2019 06:48 AM |
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03/15/2019 05:53 AM
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The face of global terrorism is white, and they love trump and guns.
Arm yourself for self defense, because the president is encouraging them. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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03/15/2019 06:09 AM
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Do you mean like this?
http://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/...cs-lockhart/index.html ------------------------- I was right. |
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03/15/2019 06:25 AM
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Like I have said, some of these trump dotards are very dangerous. Interesting that the dotard propaganda network aka faux had very little coverage of the CG dude who wanted to kill all D's. Pretty pathetic bunch, the lot of them.
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03/15/2019 06:44 AM
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Edited: 03/15/2019 at 06:44 AM by RiddleMe |
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03/15/2019 06:45 AM
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amazes me that something like this can happen in a country that has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. sorry for multiple posts, but ancient forum doesnt take my line breaks
Edited: 03/15/2019 at 06:45 AM by RiddleMe |
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03/18/2019 10:12 AM
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amazes me that something like this can happen in a country that has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. sorry for multiple posts, but ancient forum doesnt take my line breaks Not really true. They are lax compared to many. ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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03/18/2019 12:04 PM
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03/15/2019 07:05 AM
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------------------------- I :heart; Q |
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03/15/2019 07:10 AM
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Like I have said, some of these trump dotards are very dangerous. you got a link to the story where this terrorist is a trump supporter, i need to post it all over social media? quite odd for someone in new zealand "A man who claimed responsibility for the attack wrote a manifesto referencing "white genocide" driven by "mass immigration." The manifesto said guns were used to stoke the 2nd Amendment debate in the U.S., and called President Trump a "symbol of renewed white identity"" http://www.cbsnews.com/live-ne...19-03-15-live-updates/ ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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03/15/2019 07:28 AM
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03/19/2019 05:02 AM
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Like I have said, some of these trump dotards are very dangerous. Interesting that the dotard propaganda network aka faux had very little coverage of the CG dude who wanted to kill all D's. Pretty pathetic bunch, the lot of them. Yo, he was an aussie |
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03/19/2019 06:56 AM
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Like I have said, some of these trump dotards are very dangerous. Interesting that the dotard propaganda network aka faux had very little coverage of the CG dude who wanted to kill all D's. Pretty pathetic bunch, the lot of them. Yo, he was an aussie Fascists all over the world see trump as their hero. Poland, Ukraine, Oz, wherever white men are scared of losing their hegemony. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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03/19/2019 07:08 AM
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Terrorists all over the world see American progs as their hero. And thusly inspired, these anti-Christian terrorists have slaughtered hundreds of Christians. We have to stop them here. Need Senate investigations.
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03/19/2019 07:17 AM
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Like I have said, some of these trump dotards are very dangerous. Interesting that the dotard propaganda network aka faux had very little coverage of the CG dude who wanted to kill all D's. Pretty pathetic bunch, the lot of them. Yo, he was an aussie 'The gunman's manifesto praised Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.' An aussie trump dotard...stay stupid my friend... ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/19/2019 07:43 AM
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dont skip the full quote! it is too good bro
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03/19/2019 08:37 AM
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Oh crap.
Extremist killings down under Trump. For progs, that means that they were higher under Obama. That, in turn, means that Obama was inspiring more extremists than Trump. Poor progs, they can't catch a break. null
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03/15/2019 06:38 AM
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Groups of brave Americans and other people in this world that are in danger because of these crazies:
Muslims (several shootings at mosques) Women (yoga studio in Tallahasee and planned parenthood coward attacks) Jewish people (Pittsburgh synagogue shootings) Black Americans (too many instances to enumerate) Students from elementary to college ages (too many instances to enumerate) LGBTQ (Pulse) Groups not in danger but act like the world is falling in on them: Old white men |
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03/15/2019 06:40 AM
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Edited: 03/15/2019 at 06:42 AM by RiddleMe |
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03/15/2019 06:49 AM
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Hahahaha. You guys are getting crazier by the day. So, Rusty, Cole, wtf and Greensleeves are the faces of terrorism? That is a grave insult to terrorists.
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03/15/2019 06:58 AM
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look, not trying to attack you all but trying to sell white people as the face of global terrorism just is not supported by reality. not sure why think this, but the statistics simply dont support it. this month alone, so far with the terror attack in new zealand and one other that was committed by a white (hispanic) person the body count is 53. the body count, mostly muslim, by nonwhites is 304. extremism is horrible and needs to stop regardless of who does it, but lets keep it real here. separating one's self from reality is part of the gop playbook, we shouldnt let ourselves be guilty of it too
Edited: 03/15/2019 at 07:00 AM by RiddleMe |
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03/15/2019 07:34 PM
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New Zealand needs a wall...
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03/15/2019 07:42 PM
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did this guy claim allegiance to trump or that he was inspired by him? must of totally missed that. would have thought the media would jump all over that The gunman's manifesto praised Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose". Here ya go Tiger: http://www.reuters.com/article...%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29 A good chunk of the dead are small children. This "invaders" propaganda and dehumanizing others is dangerous. People like Tpapablo think it's funny, enjoy it, take part in it and encourage it- but people like Paul are douchebags. Don't fool yourself- it's not just talk.. it leads to violence. Enough is enough. ------------------------- Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Edited: 03/15/2019 at 07:52 PM by fishkller |
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03/16/2019 05:29 AM
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did this guy claim allegiance to trump or that he was inspired by him? must of totally missed that. would have thought the media would jump all over that The gunman's manifesto praised Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose". Here ya go Tiger: http://www.reuters.com/article...%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29 A good chunk of the dead are small children. This "invaders" propaganda and dehumanizing others is dangerous. People like Tpapablo think it's funny, enjoy it, take part in it and encourage it- but people like Paul are douchebags. Don't fool yourself- it's not just talk.. it leads to violence. Enough is enough. Truth be told, they have no issue with Blacks or Jews or Muslims being killed. That is the heart of entrenched racism. If we go by statistics and move Trump supporters out of the country and replace them with Syrian, Central American and other seekers of a normal life, the country would be a better place. ------------------------- I was right. |
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03/16/2019 06:05 AM
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03/16/2019 08:11 AM
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might want to keep reading and pay attention to time stamps especially on breaking stories where news trickles out before you post. no need for that tone with me, got it it tiger? Thanks for the tip, Coach. However- that was the latest update of the story on Reuters when I posted last night- it had been updated 5 minutes before. I read the entire article. Just checked it again today and it still reads: "The gunman's manifesto praised Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose". The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment. " Not sure what you are cryptically referring to- have some new developments come out since last night? Please elaborate. ------------------------- Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Edited: 03/16/2019 at 08:16 AM by fishkller |
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03/16/2019 08:25 AM
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Yes, it was NOT TRUMPs rhetoric at all.............................................
Here is the real culprit:..........................
Chelsea Clinton Blamed By NYU Students For New Zealand ................................
hollywoodlife.com › News › Celebrity News › Chelsea Clinton.....................................
9 hours ago · Chelsea Clinton Blamed By NYU Students For New Zealand Mosque Attacks & Twitter Defends Her ... New York Muslim students accost a pregnant Chelsea Clinton blaming her for the #NewZealandShootings .......................... Chelsea Clinton was the culprit............. Mom and Dad must be so proud.......................
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03/16/2019 09:37 AM
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Edited: 03/16/2019 at 10:11 AM by RiddleMe |
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03/16/2019 03:17 PM
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nothing cryptic at all. when i made my post that you quoted and made a snarky reply to, it was as the story was breaking. you read something well after the fact without reading the rest and without considering temporal context. in other words, there was no call for you to be an ass about it. what was posted was perfectly valid at the time it was posted. but whatever buddy, you be you OK I see what you're saying now. My apologies, and sorry for the snark. It seemed that by timestamp you meant the article/news story itself, but I see now that you were referring to your own post/question at the time. It just read differently on my end than your intention was, and as a result my reply seemed off. ------------------------- Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... |
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03/16/2019 04:30 PM
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03/18/2019 05:18 AM
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did this guy claim allegiance to trump or that he was inspired by him? must of totally missed that. would have thought the media would jump all over that The gunman's manifesto praised Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose". Here ya go Tiger: http://www.reuters.com/article...%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29 A good chunk of the dead are small children. This "invaders" propaganda and dehumanizing others is dangerous. People like Tpapablo think it's funny, enjoy it, take part in it and encourage it- but people like Paul are douchebags. Don't fool yourself- it's not just talk.. it leads to violence. Enough is enough. Yup, thanks fk. Nothing more needs to be said. This is what you dotards support... ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/15/2019 06:53 AM
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He published some sort of manifesto which doesn't deserve the light of day but will get air play. NPR says he mentions the Norway a-hole and that $hit for brains Charleston Church shooter. Not sure if he mentions tspanks man-crush Twitler.
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03/15/2019 06:59 AM
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Shows how out of the loop I am. I didn't even know that New Zealanders could vote in our elections.
------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/15/2019 07:02 AM
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Direct result of fear mongering immigrants and sensationalizing immigration, Trumpaganda
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03/15/2019 07:15 AM
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Direct result of fear mongering immigrants and sensationalizing immigration, Trumpaganda So, if we just let every unskilled, uneducated, person from South America into our country then people in New Zealand will stop murdering each other? Well, why didn't you say so earlier! Makes perfect sense. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/15/2019 07:16 AM
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Sorry guys but the idea that the United States is causing mass murder of muslims in New Zealand by securing our southern border is completely f'ing retarded.
------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/15/2019 07:29 AM
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Sorry guys but the idea that the United States is causing mass murder of muslims in New Zealand by securing our southern border is completely f'ing retarded. Well, that is entirely your idea. Nobody said or even implied that. |
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03/15/2019 07:37 AM
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Sorry guys but the idea that the United States is causing mass murder of muslims in New Zealand by securing our southern border is completely f'ing retarded. Well, that is entirely your idea. Nobody said or even implied that. q]Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover Direct result of fear mongering immigrants and sensationalizing immigration, Trumpaganda You sure about that? ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/15/2019 08:51 AM
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Sorry guys but the idea that the United States is causing mass murder of muslims in New Zealand by securing our southern border is completely f'ing retarded. Well, that is entirely your idea. Nobody said or even implied that. q]Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover Direct result of fear mongering immigrants and sensationalizing immigration, Trumpaganda You sure about that? Trump's demagoguery isn't required to secure our borders, and actually is now getting in the way due to backlash. He campaigned on demonizing immigrants and Muslims, even promoted fake stories of immigrant crime and continues to spotlight every instance of an immigrant crime to foster a false belief that all immigrants are criminals and making our country unsafe. He routinely dog whistles to white nationalists. |
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03/15/2019 09:11 AM
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Sorry guys but the idea that the United States is causing mass murder of muslims in New Zealand by securing our southern border is completely f'ing retarded. Well, that is entirely your idea. Nobody said or even implied that. q]Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover Direct result of fear mongering immigrants and sensationalizing immigration, Trumpaganda You sure about that? Trump's demagoguery isn't required to secure our borders, and actually is now getting in the way due to backlash. He campaigned on demonizing immigrants and Muslims, even promoted fake stories of immigrant crime and continues to spotlight every instance of an immigrant crime to foster a false belief that all immigrants are criminals and making our country unsafe. He routinely dog whistles to white nationalists. The left views admitting we have a problem as demagoguery. Facts are considered demagoguery. I'm pretty sure that everyone knows that not all illegals are criminals. Supporting a steady flow of illegal, unskilled, uneducated people coming into our country is an indefensible argument. It is a stupid idea. Crime is only one aspect. There are plenty more reasons one should want to know who is here, that they are capable of supporting themselves once they get here, and that they are here for the right reasons, outside of crime statistics. Is the left racially biased against Asian people, or people from other continents, who are working hard to come here the right way? Why doesn't the left care about their desires to better their lives? ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden Edited: 03/15/2019 at 09:11 AM by Sniper |
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03/15/2019 11:49 AM
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03/15/2019 12:12 PM
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The left views admitting we have a problem as demagoguery. It all depends on how the problem is described. Memes on the president of United Waterfowlers Florida's facebook page make it look like the problem is mongol hordes raping and pillaging. Yeah, I'm sure 'some' of them are good people. But FOX and presidential tweets have me quaking and reaching for my gun. When the present crisis is presenting itself at the border then you don't accomplish answering those questions with spending billions on more wall. Huh? Okay then, in your view, how many rapes is too many? How many murders is too many. At what point would you say we have a problem? At some point, you must stop the bleeding before the problem can begin to fix itself. If you support people from South and Central America cutting the line of our immigration system and leaving those from Asian countries to follow the rules, are you not racially biased in favor of hispanic people? Why do they deserve preferential treatment? ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/15/2019 03:07 PM
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03/16/2019 05:52 AM
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The left views admitting we have a problem as demagoguery. It all depends on how the problem is described. Memes on the president of United Waterfowlers Florida's facebook page make it look like the problem is mongol hordes raping and pillaging. Yeah, I'm sure 'some' of them are good people. But FOX and presidential tweets have me quaking and reaching for my gun. When the present crisis is presenting itself at the border then you don't accomplish answering those questions with spending billions on more wall. Huh? Okay then, in your view, how many rapes is too many? How many murders is too many. At what point would you say we have a problem? At some point, you must stop the bleeding before the problem can begin to fix itself. If you support people from South and Central America cutting the line of our immigration system and leaving those from Asian countries to follow the rules, are you not racially biased in favor of hispanic people? Why do they deserve preferential treatment? They don't increase the murder rate or rape rate so that is not a good argument. If you add 1/10000 to 1/5000 the sum is smaller than 1/5000. If you are worried about violent crime you are a lot safer in Fellsmere than in Paisely or Apopka. Facts are facts right? What is hammering on scary annecdotes insteas of dealing with real rate based numbers as I have previously posted from the libertarians? You are really overcomplicating this. What is so hard to understand about crimes being committed by people who shouldn't have been here? I would love to see you say what you just wrote in your last post to the someone's face who had been raped by an illegal or to the family of someone who had a loved one killed by an illegal. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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The left views admitting we have a problem as demagoguery. It all depends on how the problem is described. Memes on the president of United Waterfowlers Florida's facebook page make it look like the problem is mongol hordes raping and pillaging. Yeah, I'm sure 'some' of them are good people. But FOX and presidential tweets have me quaking and reaching for my gun. When the present crisis is presenting itself at the border then you don't accomplish answering those questions with spending billions on more wall. Huh? Okay then, in your view, how many rapes is too many? How many murders is too many. At what point would you say we have a problem? At some point, you must stop the bleeding before the problem can begin to fix itself. If you support people from South and Central America cutting the line of our immigration system and leaving those from Asian countries to follow the rules, are you not racially biased in favor of hispanic people? Why do they deserve preferential treatment? They don't increase the murder rate or rape rate so that is not a good argument. If you add 1/10000 to 1/5000 the sum is smaller than 1/5000. If you are worried about violent crime you are a lot safer in Fellsmere than in Paisely or Apopka. Facts are facts right? What is hammering on scary annecdotes insteas of dealing with real rate based numbers as I have previously posted from the libertarians? You are really overcomplicating this. What is so hard to understand about crimes being committed by people who shouldn't have been here? I would love to see you say what you just wrote in your last post to the someone's face who had been raped by an illegal or to the family of someone who had a loved one killed by an illegal. Nice appeal to emotion. So much for sticking to an objective fact based analysis. Are you a robot? |
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03/18/2019 10:18 AM
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The left views admitting we have a problem as demagoguery. Facts are considered demagoguery. I'm pretty sure that everyone knows that not all illegals are criminals. Supporting a steady flow of illegal, unskilled, uneducated people coming into our country is an indefensible argument. It is a stupid idea. C BS, find some real facts sometime, instead of making up straw man arguments. Nobody is supporting that. I could elaborate, but it will not get through to you. But for one, I want more legal immigration, I want there to be a legal path for tge immigrants we need. Less illegal. ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill Edited: 03/18/2019 at 10:18 AM by WG |
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03/18/2019 10:33 AM
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Yeah. Not supporting illegal. Supporting easier path for workers to be legal resident aliens.
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03/19/2019 10:53 AM
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The left views admitting we have a problem as demagoguery. Facts are considered demagoguery. I'm pretty sure that everyone knows that not all illegals are criminals. Supporting a steady flow of illegal, unskilled, uneducated people coming into our country is an indefensible argument. It is a stupid idea. C BS, find some real facts sometime, instead of making up straw man arguments. Nobody is supporting that. I could elaborate, but it will not get through to you. But for one, I want more legal immigration, I want there to be a legal path for tge immigrants we need. Less illegal. So, do you believe that the number of illegal immigrants we have in our country puts a strain on our hospitals, schools, law enforcement, prison system etc? Do you believe that we should put an end to illegal immigration, so we can know who is here and allow people into our country who dream of being here and, based on education/skills, have a strong likelihood of thriving here? If you answer no to either, then please explain. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/19/2019 11:11 AM
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Strain? No. Do they have some type of effect, sure, I imagine they do, but have you ever even bothered to see the actual stats and not those from Fox and other misinformation sites? And what does a wall have to do with the 40% who overstayed their visas?
And no, immigration shouldn't be merit based, we need workers at all levels. Not to mention the simple kindness that we used to offer to refugees from war torn and otherwise devastated countries. ------------------------- I was right. |
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03/15/2019 03:08 PM
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03/15/2019 07:12 AM
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White nationalists worldwide are encouraged by the USA drift into white ethnonationalism. Trumpism is all about it.
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03/15/2019 07:21 AM
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03/15/2019 07:29 AM
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I don't recall kids doing heil Hitler waves a few years ago, hell, I don't recall any good nazis for that matter. Can any of you point to a statement where Trump condemns White Supremacists?
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03/15/2019 07:36 AM
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03/15/2019 07:37 AM
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I don't recall kids doing heil Hitler waves a few years ago nah they were doing it. there have always been white supremacists and nazis here. you just didnt see it because nobody gave them a platform to stand on and the media avoided giving them a mouth piece. not to mention social media, well less so no that companies are actually cracking down on it Nah, it's common place now. And there is a reason for that. ------------------------- I was right. |
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03/15/2019 07:43 AM
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I don't recall kids doing heil Hitler waves a few years ago nah they were doing it. there have always been white supremacists and nazis here. you just didnt see it because nobody gave them a platform to stand on and the media avoided giving them a mouth piece. not to mention social media, well less so no that companies are actually cracking down on it Nah, it's common place now. And there is a reason for that. What??? If we let all the unskilled, uneducated, people from South America in our country then not only will New Zealanders stop committing mass murder but the nazis here in the good ole U S of A will leave? Do we need to open the border completely or just go back to ignoring the problems at the border? I tell you what, you guys are doing a helluva job selling this open border thing. What other benefits come along with it? Will it stop the polar ice caps from melting? Will it make childbirth a pleasure? It's like an infomercial. This deal just keeps getting better. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/15/2019 07:45 AM
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I don't recall kids doing heil Hitler waves a few years ago nah they were doing it. there have always been white supremacists and nazis here. you just didnt see it because nobody gave them a platform to stand on and the media avoided giving them a mouth piece. not to mention social media, well less so no that companies are actually cracking down on it Nah, it's common place now. And there is a reason for that. What??? If we let all the unskilled, uneducated, people from South America in our country then not only will New Zealanders stop committing mass murder but the nazis here in the good ole U S of A will leave? Do we need to open the border completely or just go back to ignoring the problems at the border? I tell you what, you guys are doing a helluva job selling this open border thing. What other benefits come along with it? Will it stop the polar ice caps from melting? Will it make childbirth a pleasure? It's like an infomercial. This deal just keeps getting better. Borders? wtf are you talking about? ------------------------- I was right. |
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03/15/2019 07:50 AM
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I don't recall kids doing heil Hitler waves a few years ago nah they were doing it. there have always been white supremacists and nazis here. you just didnt see it because nobody gave them a platform to stand on and the media avoided giving them a mouth piece. not to mention social media, well less so no that companies are actually cracking down on it Nah, it's common place now. And there is a reason for that. What??? If we let all the unskilled, uneducated, people from South America in our country then not only will New Zealanders stop committing mass murder but the nazis here in the good ole U S of A will leave? Do we need to open the border completely or just go back to ignoring the problems at the border? I tell you what, you guys are doing a helluva job selling this open border thing. What other benefits come along with it? Will it stop the polar ice caps from melting? Will it make childbirth a pleasure? It's like an infomercial. This deal just keeps getting better. Borders? wtf are you talking about? I'm not sure that I have time to explain this in a way that you will understand it but I'll give it a shot. You say you have a reason that people are doing heil Hitler waves more today than they were previously. (even though I'm pretty damn positive you have ZERO data or facts to back any of that up, it's pretty much what people expect from you.) What's the reason? ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/15/2019 07:52 AM
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The guy justified his actions because he felt aggrieved by the "open borders" policies of western governments that were allowing bad people to invade and take over. He was attracted to Trump's invasion rhetoric regarding our border issues and the common demonization of those seeking to immigrate. If the government was going to do anything then he would.
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03/15/2019 08:00 AM
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What's the reason?
Comfort from Trump's rhetoric. ------------------------- I was right. |
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03/15/2019 08:34 AM
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What's the reason? Comfort from Trump's rhetoric. What rhetoric? ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/15/2019 11:39 AM
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I don't recall kids doing heil Hitler waves a few years ago nah they were doing it. there have always been white supremacists and nazis here. you just didnt see it because nobody gave them a platform to stand on and the media avoided giving them a mouth piece. not to mention social media, well less so no that companies are actually cracking down on it Nah, it's common place now. And there is a reason for that. Much like the "Flat Earthers", these people have an easy platform (internet) to disseminate their mis-information, and concoct fake videos, which attracts more crazies to their cause. You think that Australia and New Zealand don't have dumb-ass crazies looking at the internet? Sheesh... ------------------------- GOP: Gaslight Obstruct Project |
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03/15/2019 08:00 AM
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03/15/2019 07:33 AM
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03/15/2019 11:12 AM
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Pretty weak material even for you Tpap. Some people say Tpap is a closeted pederast, who watches questionable porn, while wearing clown shoes...
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03/15/2019 11:21 AM
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clown shoes. lol
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03/15/2019 08:33 AM
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right. the situation isnt local to a country. muslim and white terrorists throughout the world. guess i dont understand your point
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03/15/2019 08:39 AM
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03/15/2019 09:24 AM
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Dangerous as other idiots may get their adrenaline pumping and promote further calamities Important so we can see the inner workings of these psychos and prevent further calamities A conundrum for sure. It doesn't need to be made public IMO. Let the experts study it to create a profile, but don't give the d-bag or his cause the public forum. ------------------------- Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971. Edited: 03/15/2019 at 09:24 AM by worksuxgetsponsered |
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03/15/2019 10:29 AM
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I notice that you frequently you chastise one side for gross generalizations but you ignore others.
I certainly filled in no gaps in this case. He said that they got their own medicine. That language is quite plain and requires no parsing or interpretations. You are actively choosing to downplay both his generalization and his conclusion drawn from that generalization. I'm not going to speculate as to why.
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03/15/2019 10:38 AM
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03/15/2019 01:18 PM
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03/15/2019 01:45 PM
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The man people say is a big red shoed pedophile makes a reappearance
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03/15/2019 02:14 PM
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Islamic terrorist organization and our progs on the same page. Why doesn't that surprise me. Cair blames Trump.
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03/15/2019 02:47 PM
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Trump loves this shit. That's obvious.
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03/15/2019 03:15 PM
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Ohhh piggy piggy piggy: so much lying, traitorous, chumpfscum swine offal being produced, so little time to respond.....
But there's some fat, sleazy McDonnie bubbles need bursting on here..... Magats who follow a russian worshiping failed businessman as their messiah call those who oppose his treasonous agenda rinos, progs, libtards. And commies??? This guy laundered money for, and sold housing to: hundreds of ex spetsnaz and kgb operatives who raped, pillaged and plundered the former COMMUNIST soviet union. And then moved here. Into chump branded real estate properties. They're now known as the russian mafia. The current bimbo wife, who grew up in a COMMUNIST in a soviet socialist republic: is a native speaker of russian. Her dad was a card carrying member of the COMMUNIST party. Who was given preferential admission and citizenship in my America.... Your own personal tangerine Jesus whips up his followers into anti Semitic, anti Latin, anti actual Republican. Anti everybody other than them into violence. And then blames it on anyone slightly, vaguely to the left of his fascist, hitlerian nightmare manifesto..... What was that about prog violence, sniveling little pigblo boy? ------------------------- It's a democratic hoax Edited: 03/15/2019 at 03:29 PM by nukeh2o |
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03/15/2019 07:12 PM
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There it is, all of our problems are because of immigrants (from the southern border), libruls, and Muslims.
Tpap and others have been posting alt-right (white nationalist) garbage here for years, from Breitbart and worse, wherever they can find it. The fact that Steve Bannon was inside the Whitehouse should be alarming, but who even remembers that given all of the other crimes and disasters piling up. http://www.washingtonpost.com/...utm_term=.523f7f1d5c9e |
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03/15/2019 07:41 AM
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Publishing his manifesto is:
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03/15/2019 08:40 AM
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Surfers have always hated Nazis
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03/15/2019 08:45 AM
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Nazis are everywhere these days. Your neighbors are probably closet nazis. You probably have them in your family. They are poisoning the minds of the general public and infiltrating our schools. And it can all be blamed on those fear-mongering Republicans!
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03/15/2019 09:11 AM
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Broken white men and the racist media that fuels their terrorism
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03/15/2019 09:18 AM
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most white men arent broken nor are they racist, sad that he/she chose to present that opinion piece with that headline because he/she makes some points
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03/15/2019 11:44 AM
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The manifesto also included a single reference to President Donald Trump in which the author asked and answered the question of whether he was a Trump supporter: "As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no."
He said his desire for violence grew when he arrived in France, where he said he was offended by the sight of immigrants in the cities and towns he visited. Another sensitive snowflake... ------------------------- GOP: Gaslight Obstruct Project Edited: 03/15/2019 at 11:46 AM by Pagerow |
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03/15/2019 11:51 AM
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03/15/2019 09:33 AM
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I agree on not putting the "manifesto" out there
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03/16/2019 06:48 AM
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The face of global terrorism is white, and they love trump and guns. Arm yourself for self defense, because the president is encouraging them. I recall bernie boy shooter was white, democrat and looney. Your point is? |
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03/16/2019 09:07 AM
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The face of global terrorism is white, and they love trump and guns. Arm yourself for self defense, because the president is encouraging them. I recall bernie boy shooter was white, democrat and looney. Your point is? My point is that white fascists were responsible for every American killed by terrorists in 2018. The rise of fascism in the USA has a ripple effect globally. I will continue to encourage poc, lbgtq, religious minorities, and any other vulnerable populations to arm themselves for self defense against violent white nationalist extremists. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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03/16/2019 11:27 AM
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The face of global terrorism is white, and they love trump and guns. Arm yourself for self defense, because the president is encouraging them. I recall bernie boy shooter was white, democrat and looney. Your point is? My point is that white fascists were responsible for every American killed by terrorists in 2018. The rise of fascism in the USA has a ripple effect globally. I will continue to encourage poc, lbgtq, religious minorities, and any other vulnerable populations to arm themselves for self defense against violent white nationalist extremists. To the point of violence? |
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03/16/2019 03:19 PM
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To the point of violence? Pretty clear that he means as self-defense. Especially since he actually wrote "for self defense" ------------------------- Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... |
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03/18/2019 06:49 AM
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------------------------- I :heart; Q |
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03/18/2019 07:56 AM
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The face of global terrorism is white, and they love trump and guns. Arm yourself for self defense, because the president is encouraging them. I recall bernie boy shooter was white, democrat and looney. Your point is? My point is that white fascists were responsible for every American killed by terrorists in 2018. The rise of fascism in the USA has a ripple effect globally. I will continue to encourage poc, lbgtq, religious minorities, and any other vulnerable populations to arm themselves for self defense against violent white nationalist extremists. Aren't you in favor of taking their guns away? Away from whom? Fascists should be disarmed, but as long as they remain armed it's crucial that their intended victims be armed as well. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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03/18/2019 09:34 AM
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Is there an upper limit to embedded quotations?
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03/17/2019 06:19 AM
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NZ intends to ban semiautomatic rifles.
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03/19/2019 09:00 AM
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What happened to Tpap's post about the holy wars in the Netherlands, that devolved even further with a link to the white nationalist Breitbart?
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03/19/2019 09:31 AM
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What happened to Tpap's post about the holy wars in the Netherlands, that devolved even further with a link to the white nationalist Breitbart? Amazing how that vanished! ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/19/2019 09:47 AM
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I was just about to ask about that one myself
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03/19/2019 11:24 AM
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There are studies that show illegals commit crimes below the rate of US citizens. So not there is not a strain on LE or prison systems. Also the # of illegals has dropped, so we are headed in the right direction already.
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03/20/2019 06:04 AM
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What'd I say? According to liberals, there is no immigration problem.
So, you don't believe that our school teachers have a harder time teaching when they have the children of illegals in their classrooms, who speak no English? You think they just toss these kids in classrooms and they require no more attention than any other children? We have millions of illegals in this country. You don't think that when they go for medical care and receive it for free that it doesn't put a strain on our hospitals and the taxpayers? You don't think it contributes to driving up the cost of our healthcare? If we have ANY illegals in our prison system, then it puts a strain on the system. In the past two years, ICE made 266,000 arrests of illegals. Of those, 30,000 were charged or convicted of sex crimes, 4,000 of violent killings, over 100,000 assaults. For comparison, as of July 27th 2018, there had been a total of 2,372 U.S. soldiers killed in the war in Afghanistan and 20,320 wounded. 36.6% of all federal sentences were given to illegals in 2015. According to the DOJ, 26% of our prison population is made up of illegals yet they make up 3.5% of our overall population, so to say they don't put a strain on our prison system and law enforcement is just sticking your head in the sand. Keep hammer-handing yourselves to that CATO study. Nothing to see here. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/20/2019 06:11 AM
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Yes, they need to be given work release cards, so they can be tracked and charged taxes. It's obvious American companies use them as workers and Trump has done nothing to change that, so we might as well make the most of the sticky situation.
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03/20/2019 07:27 AM
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Estimated population of illegal immigrants between 2000-2015 ranged from 8-12 million.
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03/20/2019 07:29 AM
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Estimated population of illegal immigrants between 2000-2015 ranged from 8-12 million. 2015 US total population: 320 million Less than 4% *Less than the average over the last century http://www.dhs.gov/sites/defau...-est-report.pdf Yup - the issue here is that Sniper et al have been fed bogus info, plain and simple. Their opinions are based on wrong numbers. It's as simple as that. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/20/2019 07:36 AM
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Also worth noting:
Most return after working here within ten years, as cited in the DHS link above. They contribute billions of dollars into SS and Medicare, and most never collect any benefits. They also pay other taxes. My town, Jupiter, has a large population of Central Americans. We offer English, citizenship, and economic development classes. Many have become successful entrepreneurs, and they're the nicest people around. |
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03/20/2019 07:17 AM
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What'd I say? According to liberals, there is no immigration problem. /q] Nobody has said that. That's the problem with you dotards, your leap in logic is stupendous... What has been said is there is a better way to handle illegals, and it's not some stupid boondoggle of a wall that a ladder will solve. Plus it does not account for the 40-50% illegals that are visa overstays nor is mexico going to pay for it as was promised. Not sure why that is so hard to grasp. Oh wait, yeah I do, because your loyalty to party over country has made you stupid... ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/20/2019 07:21 AM
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Also - please cite your source of #'s. What is the year range?
From Cato: Incarcerations An estimated 1,955,951 native-born Americans, 117,994 illegal immigrants, and 43,618 legal immigrants were incarcerated in 2016. The incarceration rate for native-born Americans was 1,521 per 100,000, 800 per 100,000 for illegal immigrants, and 325 per 100,000 for legal immigrants in 2016 (Figure 1). Illegal immigrants are 47 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal immigrants are 78 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. If native-born Americans were incarcerated at the same rate as illegal immigrants, about 930,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated. Conversely, if natives were incarcerated at the same rate as legal immigrants, about 1.5 million fewer natives would be in adult correctional facilities. The ACS data include illegal immigrants incarcerated for immigration offenses and in ICE detention facilities.17 Removing the immigration offenders by subtracting the 13,000 convicted for immigration offenses and the 34,379 in ICE detention facilities on any given day lowers the illegal immigrant incarceration rate to 479 per 100,000.18 I suspect your source is counting very liberally. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/20/2019 07:27 AM
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On top of that with a quick look, I guarantee your numbers come from FAIR or CIS - both hate groups as indentified by the SPLC (you may have obtained through other means though). FAIR has been proven to be very liberal with #'s and borderline making shit up per studies by Cato, The Heartland Group and Pew Research. These are erroneous numbers aka 'alternative facts'. Problem is that there is no credibility to these numbers when they come from ultra right hate groups.
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03/20/2019 10:40 AM
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On top of that with a quick look, I guarantee your numbers come from FAIR or CIS - both hate groups as indentified by the SPLC (you may have obtained through other means though). FAIR has been proven to be very liberal with #'s and borderline making shit up per studies by Cato, The Heartland Group and Pew Research. These are erroneous numbers aka 'alternative facts'. Problem is that there is no credibility to these numbers when they come from ultra right hate groups. The left views admitting we have a problem as hate speech. Facts are considered hate speech. Is the DOJ now a "hate group" because they say things that you don't like to hear? YOUR MATH DOESN'T ADD UP. If 1 out of every 5 inmates in our prisons is an illegal alien, yet they only make up 3.5% of the population, then we have a problem. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden Edited: 03/20/2019 at 10:45 AM by Sniper |
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03/20/2019 07:34 AM
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It's much easier to mislead people when they want to be misled, when they want to believe the lie, when it reinforces their prejudice.
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03/20/2019 07:50 AM
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It's much easier to mislead people when they want to be misled, when they want to believe the lie, when it reinforces their prejudice. i.e. confirmation bias, which is exactly how these propaganda sites work. One problem (among several) is there are a large part of our population that does not know how to look objectively at issues - it is an educational issue. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/20/2019 08:06 AM
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03/20/2019 08:51 AM
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i.e. confirmation bias, which is exactly how these propaganda sites work. One problem (among several) is there are a large part of our population that does not know how to look objectively at issues - it is an educational issue. sadly it is an issue that is bipartisan. granted the cons are slightly worse, but not really by much I would agree - confirmation bias is not a partisan thing, it's a human thing. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/20/2019 09:10 AM
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Bureau of Prisons (keep in mind, this is only a portion of inmates, but there is a large sample size meaning there is probably not all that much change when including privately run prisons) - https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp?fbclid=IwAR2wvIrIHu4R6dwy1ZcIK4u2P5mv0ED0eBnBrjwX5DX5euyVzeESf861nP0
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03/20/2019 12:12 PM
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Oh boy - alien means 'non-citizen' not 'illegal' thus 'Alien' is not the same as 'illegal alien'
From Cato for some context - https://www.cato.org/blog/another-confusing-federal-report-immigrant-incarceration The Departments of Justice and Homeland Security (DOJ/DHS) will be publishing a quarterly report on immigrant incarceration in federal prisons because of an Executive Order issued by President Trump last year. The most recent report found that 20 percent of all inmates in federal prison are foreign-born and about 93 percent of them are likely illegal immigrants. Since immigrants are only about 13.5 percent of the population and illegal immigrants are only about a quarter of all immigrants, many are misreading it and coming away with the impression that foreign-born people are more crime-prone than natives. That is simply not true. This new DOJ/DHS report only includes those incarcerated in federal prisons, which is not a representative sample of all incarcerated persons in the United States. Federal prisons include a higher percentage of foreign-born prisoners than state and local correctional facilities because violations of immigration and smuggling laws are federal offenses and violators of those laws are incarcerated in federal prisons. The report itself almost admits as much with this important disclaimer: 'This report (re: your link Sniper) does not include data on the alien populations in state prisons and local jails because state and local facilities do not routinely provide DHS or DOJ with comprehensive information about their inmates and detainees - which account for approximately 90 percent of the total U.S. incarcerated population. There is much better information on immigrant incarcerations in other formats. My co-author Michelangelo Landgrave and I recently released a Cato brief that estimates incarceration rates by immigration status in federal, state, and local correctional facilities. We used a standard statistical technique known as the residual method to identify illegal immigrants in the incarcerated population in the American Community Survey in 2016. We found that illegal immigrants are 47 percent less likely to be incarcerated than native-born Americans and legal immigrants are 78 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. The results reported in our recent brief are similar to our other research into immigrant incarceration and conviction rates as well as the peer-reviewed academic research. The evidence that legal and illegal immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated, convicted, or even arrested for crimes is so overwhelming that even immigration restrictionists like Mark Krikorian at the Center for Immigration Studies admit that, "A lot of data does suggest immigrants are less likely to be involved in crime." Crime data in the United States is poor, especially as it relates to details about the immigration status of the offenders. There is no good reason for a dearth of data on this topic. Thus, improving the quality of crime and immigration data is important so that we can better understand the relationship between immigration and criminality. Unfortunately, the new DOJ/DHS report does not help because the information it presents is of a non-representative subsample of the entire incarcerated population, the title of the report strongly suggests that it reports all incarcerations rather than just those in federal correctional facilities, and this information is already available. Cato is a right think tank that is well respected. Your argument is bogus. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay Edited: 03/20/2019 at 12:13 PM by wtf |
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03/20/2019 02:06 PM
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My argument is 100% correct. However, you keep going back to trying to argue about whether illegal aliens are more dangerous than American citizens. I honestly don't care if they are more dangerous than American citizens. I also don't care whether a leopard or a cheetah would win in a fight. Don't care. I seriously doubt anyone murdered by MS13 was thinking to themselves, "statistically, this guy shouldn't be stabbing me right now" as they were being attacked. Every crime an illegal commits is one that shouldn't have happened here if we had control of our immigration policy. The crime is just one aspect.
3rdworld brought up the fact that many illegals pay into SS and Medicare. lol Guess who else does? All the citizens who have to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket for the same medical care that illegals are getting for free. Who do you think pays for all of it? Other people enjoy working for free as much as you do. If you guys want to help Mexico and Central America, then fly down there and find a way to help out on your dime. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/20/2019 02:21 PM
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Also, most state justice agencies and local jails don't have any consistent methodology for collecting and recording data on immigration status. They certainly don't have a central database, even if they do collect it. Sanctuary cities and states are intentionally making sure that the data will not be collected.
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03/20/2019 02:24 PM
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Also, most state justice agencies and local jails don't have any consistent methodology for collecting and recording data on immigration status. They certainly don't have a central database, even if they do collect it. Sanctuary cities and states are intentionally making sure that the data will not be collected. Cato explained their statistical methodology to account for that - show us why it is wrong? ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/20/2019 06:55 PM
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hahaha you were saying something about confirmation bias? Factual information contradicts what i think ergo Fake News! from Cato... You can lead a horse to water
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03/21/2019 04:51 AM
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hahaha you were saying something about confirmation bias? Factual information contradicts what i think ergo Fake News! from Cato... You can lead a horse to water Show how Cato is wrong then. There are others that show the same, I just wanted to use a rightie based think tank so the comeback wouldn't be 'that's liberal BS'. My mind is open unlike 'party before country' dotards. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/21/2019 06:58 AM
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03/22/2019 05:49 AM
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hahaha you were saying something about confirmation bias? Factual information contradicts what i think ergo Fake News! from Cato... You can lead a horse to water Show how Cato is wrong then. There are others that show the same, I just wanted to use a rightie based think tank so the comeback wouldn't be 'that's liberal BS'. My mind is open unlike 'party before country' dotards. I was being facetious and making fun of the other guy in this pissing match not you. My bad. I get what you meant now. Cheers ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/21/2019 05:33 AM
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Also, most state justice agencies and local jails don't have any consistent methodology for collecting and recording data on immigration status. They certainly don't have a central database, even if they do collect it. Sanctuary cities and states are intentionally making sure that the data will not be collected. Then why do you keep spouting your 'statistics' over and over? You are arguing against your own point. ------------------------- I was right. |
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03/21/2019 05:37 AM
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Also, most state justice agencies and local jails don't have any consistent methodology for collecting and recording data on immigration status. They certainly don't have a central database, even if they do collect it. Sanctuary cities and states are intentionally making sure that the data will not be collected. Then why do you keep spouting your 'statistics' over and over? You are arguing against your own point. I'm not talking about state and local stats. I'm talking about Federal. There is no organized method of collecting and recording these stats at the state and local level, so I'm using what we have. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/21/2019 05:47 AM
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State and local combine to make Federal.
You are arguing against you own argument. Did you ever even bother to think about the number you keep using? No, you just went with what you were told. And does it really count if they are sitting in prison for immigration related charges? lol ------------------------- I was right. |
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03/21/2019 06:44 AM
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State and local combine to make Federal. You are arguing against you own argument. Did you ever even bother to think about the number you keep using? No, you just went with what you were told. And does it really count if they are sitting in prison for immigration related charges? lol So, you think that Federal prisons are the combination of state prison and local jails combined? Here is a list of our federal prisons in the United States. Cole, I'm sure you are a perfectly nice person but I'm also convinced that you must be mildly retarded. Conversations with you are a complete waste of time for everyone here. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/21/2019 07:43 AM
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03/21/2019 08:05 AM
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WTF: The Departments of Justice and Homeland Security (DOJ/DHS) will be publishing a quarterly report on immigrant incarceration in federal prisons because of an Executive Order issued by President Trump last year. The most recent report found that 20 percent of all inmates in federal prison are foreign-born and about 93 percent of them are likely illegal immigrants. Since immigrants are only about 13.5 percent of the population and illegal immigrants are only about a quarter of all immigrants, many are misreading it and coming away with the impression that foreign-born people are more crime-prone than natives...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................The most recent report found that 20 percent of all inmates in federal prison are foreign-born and about 93 percent of them are likely illegal immigrants........................................................................................
SO... IF %93 of the foreign born inmates are illegal aliens.... That means only %7 of the foreign born inmates are NOT illegal....................................
AND that also means %18.6 of federal prisoners are illegal aliens......................................................
That's the %93 of the %20 which is what this report claims...................................................................
Since immigrants are only about 13.5 percent of the population and since the report says %20 of the prison population is foreign born............................. then immigrants are more likely to commit a crime then native born peoples..........................................%13.5 of the population is accounting for %20 of the criminals in federal prisons................................................................
and illegal immigrants are only about a quarter of all immigrants, BUT IF one quarter of all immigrants in the country make up %93 of all immigrants in jail............ It DEFINITLY shows that illegal immigrants are way more dangerous and crime prone than not only the other immigrants but also more crime prone and dangerous than Native born people....................
many are misreading this report and coming away with the impression that foreign-born people are less crime-prone than natives.
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03/21/2019 07:54 PM
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State and local combine to make Federal. You are arguing against you own argument. Did you ever even bother to think about the number you keep using? No, you just went with what you were told. And does it really count if they are sitting in prison for immigration related charges? lol So, you think that Federal prisons are the combination of state prison and local jails combined? Here is a list of our federal prisons in the United States. Cole, I'm sure you are a perfectly nice person but I'm also convinced that you must be mildly retarded. Conversations with you are a complete waste of time for everyone here. Numbers you idiot, as in federal statistics. lol Lord help us. ------------------------- I was right. |
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03/22/2019 04:08 AM
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Cole, I'm sure you are a perfectly nice person but I'm also convinced that you must be mildly retarded. Conversations with you are a complete waste of time for everyone here. Nope...he's a POS prog commie asshole. He's far far from being mildly retarded.......he has an IQ of 89. He's a pathological liar as well. I will agree he's a complete waste of time for everyone here, though.... The only real problem is that he is dangerous. Truth. ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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03/22/2019 05:26 AM
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Cole, I'm sure you are a perfectly nice person but I'm also convinced that you must be mildly retarded. Conversations with you are a complete waste of time for everyone here. Nope...he's a POS prog commie asshole. He's far far from being mildly retarded.......he has an IQ of 89. He's a pathological liar as well. I will agree he's a complete waste of time for everyone here, though.... The only real problem is that he is dangerous. Truth. You do realize 89 is an average IQ score, don't you? Dunderhead. ------------------------- I was right. |
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03/22/2019 05:31 AM
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Cole, I'm sure you are a perfectly nice person but I'm also convinced that you must be mildly retarded. Conversations with you are a complete waste of time for everyone here. Nope...he's a POS prog commie asshole. He's far far from being mildly retarded.......he has an IQ of 89. He's a pathological liar as well. I will agree he's a complete waste of time for everyone here, though.... The only real problem is that he is dangerous. Truth. You do realize 89 is an average IQ score, don't you? Dunderhead. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! WOW! Yes your score of 89 is 'average'...if thats the lie you want to believe and tell everyone. Thats why you can only hold the job that you do.... You'd make more at McDonalds...js. FOOL! "What is a good IQ score? The Wechsler Intelligence Quotient (IQ) scale has these general classifications: 130+ Upper extreme 120 - 129 Well above average 110 - 119 High average 90 - 109 Average 80 - 89 Low average 70 - 79 Well below average 69 and below Lower extreme" ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 03/22/2019 at 05:32 AM by Fish Killer |
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03/22/2019 05:33 AM
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Is 89 an average IQ? Yes or no?
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03/22/2019 05:34 AM
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Is 89 an average IQ? Yes or no? Nope! "What is a good IQ score? The Wechsler Intelligence Quotient (IQ) scale has these general classifications: 130+ Upper extreme 120 - 129 Well above average 110 - 119 High average 90 - 109 Average 80 - 89 Low average 70 - 79 Well below average 69 and below Lower extreme" ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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03/22/2019 05:35 AM
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Yep, it's average, just like I said.
Me? Two different tests. The first 133, the second 135. Where does that fit on your list? ------------------------- I was right. |
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03/22/2019 05:37 AM
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I whip your ass daily. Do you prefer to be bested by an 89 IQ or one that, as your information puts it, is "upper extreme?"
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03/22/2019 05:20 AM
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] There's no way to distinguish between say MS13 and the lady that made my tacos at the bakery today in the next county south of here? Mmmmmm, sometimes you can. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/22/2019 05:38 AM
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If the immigrants commit violent crimes at a lower rate than the native population then you are actually made safer by their presence. That's just the way the math works unless you focus on outliers and deliberately engage in cherry picking and confirmation bias. No, that's not the way math works. You are assuming that if the 11,000,000 illegals that are here were not here then our citizens would have stepped up and created 11,000,000 babies. Nice try but having 11,000,000 illegal, uneducated, unskilled people in our country doesn't somehow make us safer. I don't need to cherry pick any information. Common sense works just fine. Do you expect these 11,000,000 illegals to work until the day they die? Have they been putting away for retirement? Think they will just go home to retire? Who's going to pay for this? 76,000 more illegals were stopped at our border in February alone. If we don't stop the bleeding and figure out a compassionate solution for the 11,000,000 who are already here then I'm not sure what the future of this country looks like. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/22/2019 05:41 AM
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If the immigrants commit violent crimes at a lower rate than the native population then you are actually made safer by their presence. That's just the way the math works unless you focus on outliers and deliberately engage in cherry picking and confirmation bias. No, that's not the way math works. You are assuming that if the 11,000,000 illegals that are here were not here then our citizens would have stepped up and created 11,000,000 babies. Nice try but having 11,000,000 illegal, uneducated, unskilled people in our country doesn't somehow make us safer. I don't need to cherry pick any information. Common sense works just fine. Do you expect these 11,000,000 illegals to work until the day they die? Have they been putting away for retirement? Think they will just go home to retire? Who's going to pay for this? 76,000 more illegals were stopped at our border in February alone. If we don't stop the bleeding and figure out a compassionate solution for the 11,000,000 who are already here then I'm not sure what the future of this country looks like. If they retire here, they get nothing. That's is how our system is designed to work. ------------------------- I was right. |
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03/22/2019 06:33 AM
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If the immigrants commit violent crimes at a lower rate than the native population then you are actually made safer by their presence. That's just the way the math works unless you focus on outliers and deliberately engage in cherry picking and confirmation bias. No, that's not the way math works. You are assuming that if the 11,000,000 illegals that are here were not here then our citizens would have stepped up and created 11,000,000 babies. Nice try but having 11,000,000 illegal, uneducated, unskilled people in our country doesn't somehow make us safer. I don't need to cherry pick any information. Common sense works just fine. Do you expect these 11,000,000 illegals to work until the day they die? Have they been putting away for retirement? Think they will just go home to retire? Who's going to pay for this? 76,000 more illegals were stopped at our border in February alone. If we don't stop the bleeding and figure out a compassionate solution for the 11,000,000 who are already here then I'm not sure what the future of this country looks like. If they retire here, they get nothing. That's is how our system is designed to work. Okay, Cole. You have 11,000,000 people. Some may have paid something into SS under a fake name but I doubt they are the majority. There is no way to tell how much they have paid, so they don't qualify to receive SS benefits unless they are committing more crimes by doing it fraudulently. Who is going to hire someone 70+ years old to do the jobs that unskilled, uneducated people typically do? You going to let them starve or be kicked out on the street when they get old? Right now the vast majority of these people are young. As they get older, we are going to have a major problem unless something is done about it now. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/22/2019 08:18 AM
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Some people actually live below their means and save for retirement.
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03/22/2019 10:38 AM
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Scombrid:... 76,000 more illegals were stopped at our border in February alone. .......................
Presented themselves at the border. Money should be spent dealing with that, not building a wall from sea to shining sea. ..........................................Money should be spent dealing with that...........were stopped at our border ..........were stopped at our border ............were stopped at our border ......................... The money WAS spent dealing with that................76,000 were stopped AT the border.... NOW we still have to deal with a Hundred Thousand a year that DO NOT present themselves at the checkpoints.....That is what the arguments are about............ Do we build a wall to force them to come to the checkpoints or do we get a nerd and a drone to tell us where they snuck across????.......... IF no wall.... How many Nerds with how many drones will cover the entire border.... 24 hours per day.....7 days per week...............52 weeks a year...... For-ever........AT what cost per nerd???
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03/22/2019 11:20 AM
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You are assuming that if the 11,000,000 illegals that are here were not here then our citizens would have stepped up and created 11,000,000 babies. No, that isn't how the math works. You understand dilution? If you put 100 ml of a 10% solution into 100ml of 20% solution then you no longer have a 20% solution do you? You have more total amount of whatever is dissolved in that solution but the per ml amount goes down. Rates matter. By your logic the best way to reduce crime is to just lower the population. Less people. Less crime. Common sense easy peazy eh? I think your theory works much better when you are talking about liquids, with very few variables than it does when applied to illegal, uneducated, unskilled human beings. So, it is your belief that having 11,000,000 illegal, uneducated, unskilled people in the country makes you safer? No wonder you are okay adding more. Quick question for you, how many people in border towns do you think sleep with the windows open when it is nice outside? Think they leave their doors unlocked when they go to work or are they so scared of Chad, Brad, and Jennifer seeing them as good targets for a home invasion? Sounds reasonable. You also feel that when these 11,000,000 people start to get old, that it won't cause us any problems at all from a medical standpoint or for them just being able to pay their bills in general. Are we going to have state-run nursing homes the size of penitentiaries for them? So all this stuff is just going to work itself out? You are one optimistic mf'r. Lots of hoping isn't usually a good strategy. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/20/2019 02:23 PM
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Nope - it's bogus made on your poor understanding of an alien vs. illegal alien.
How about mandatory e-verify for all hires like Scott promised to do here. Ooops - he rescinded that once big sugar got in his ear. So why are we not enforcing the use of e-verify all over the US? That's right, because your masters need that cheap labor for their farms. Again, you have no idea my position, you just throw out your BS alt-right talking points. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/21/2019 06:43 AM
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Yet I just pointed to a method used to include state/local, SMH
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03/21/2019 07:02 AM
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Yet I just pointed to a method used to include state/local, SMH Are you saying that you don't believe we have thousands of illegal aliens in our prison system responsible for rapes, assaults, and murders? Are you saying that you don't believe illegals have any impact on our schools? Are you saying that you don't believe that the 11,000,000 illegals in our country have any impact on the cost of healthcare in this country? My point is that what you are trying to prove doesn't matter. It doesn't take a genius to realize we have a problem. ------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/21/2019 07:37 AM
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Yet I just pointed to a method used to include state/local, SMH Are you saying that you don't believe we have thousands of illegal aliens in our prison system responsible for rapes, assaults, and murders? No, but they are a small percentage. We have far more US CITIZENS in our prison system responsible for those crimes. And US CITIZENS commit them at a much much higher rate than illegals. Are you saying that you don't believe illegals have any impact on our schools? No, never said that Are you saying that you don't believe that the 11,000,000 illegals in our country have any impact on the cost of healthcare in this country? No, never said that My point is that what you are trying to prove doesn't matter. It doesn't take a genius to realize we have a problem. - We have other more pressing problems. This one just doesn't rank that high with me. So we will have to agree to disagree. ------------------------- QOP = Terrorists FK = Gay |
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03/21/2019 01:23 PM
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BTW, I read the through the guy's manifesto. The guy is a prog, not a right winger.
Some tidbits:
Were/are you a conservative?
No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it.
The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the
People's Republic of China.
Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?
As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a
policy maker and leader? Dear god no.
Did you always hold these views?
No, when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a
libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist.
Won't your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights from
Whites in the United states?
Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your
rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time.
Conservatism is dead. Thank god. Now let us bury it and move on to
something of worth.
Green nationalism is the only true nationalism
There is no Conservatism without nature, there is no nationalism without
environmentalism, the natural environment of our lands shaped us just as
we shaped it. We were born from our lands and our own culture was
molded by these same lands .The protection and preservation of these
lands is of the same importance as the protection and preservation of our
own ideals and beliefs.
For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist
movement to serve their own needs. The left has controlled all discussion
regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding
over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through
mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true
solution to either issue.
There is no Green future with never ending population growth, the ideal
green world cannot exist in a World of 100 billion 50 billion or even 10
billion people. Continued immigration into Europe is environmental
warfare and ultimately destructive to nature itself.
The NSR progs have stated similar things. Interestingly, it is difficult to get a hold of the Manifesto. I can only imagine that is the case because the press wants to portray this guy as a right-winger instead of what he is - a prog. You progs have failed again.
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Illegal border crossings are at a 20 year low.
Trump could tell these guys that it was a national emergency that he could find his wiener and these chuds would come running to help pull back folds. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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