Whoulda thunk it, all you assclowns saying how smart you are, scientists and such. Now you dont want a question on the census to find out the true data. Just shows what total asswipes you all are. Where are the outraged scientists?

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He's no joke all fucked up. Give someone your keys cheat, a sober libtard might get you home safe.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

not a dem, but i Love science, and Jesus.

and Jesus is not a republican...

He said he loved all even progs you must go to barrack Obama's sect

Sober up crank

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

The Constitution says all people.

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I was right.

Funny, it was the scientists that design the census that said that the question was counter productive to the census collecting accurate population data. That is especially since the question made no distinction between resident aliens (green card holders) and illegal aliens. You want a scientific study to figure out the fraction of the population that is illegal? Commission that study apart from the census or figure out a way to do it in the census without screwing up the census. It is proven that Trump/GOP intent of putting that one question on the census was not to find out the "True Data" but was instead meant to deliberately cause an under-count in certain districts. Your plan got leaked. John Roberts wrote about it in his decision, that dirty libtard.

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Liar!

It was Obama not wanting hard data on illegal aliens.




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Thank you scom for that well thought out and accurate answer.

Doctor to minnow muncher, "your BP is alarming and your cholesterol level would make a bowler proud"

minnow muncher, "Liar"

Liar!

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No its true oblama pulled it after decades of use, musta not fit his narrative

beater5 is wrong again. he could have posted a link to corroborate his bs but he didn't

Here's a link from his own people testifying to the facts on this and also that twitler's good people f-ed this up like all things they do

faux ragging on twitler

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/deroy-murdock-trump-botches-citizenship-question-with-too-much-lawyering-and-too-little-explanation

Edited: 07/10/2019 at 01:27 PM by Greensleeves

Guess it doesn't fit your narrative either

Because his narrative uses specific evidence. Yours relies solely on fabrication. Cheater fails again...

The bonehead Trump spouted off about illegals and never bothered to mention the millions of legal aliens, so by your messiah's own words, it was all about under-counting and nothing to do with science.

Is there truth at all in the Trump world? That's the big question.

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Yo.....SHITFORBRAINS!

The problem isn't the LEGAL aliens....

It's the ILLEGAL ALIENS!



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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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Facts and statistics are hateful constructs that are forced upon us by White Men. Smurfs and Unicorns are more loving.

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The science of electioneering.

The last time a "citizenship" question was on the census was 1950. That form asked where each person was born and in a follow up question asked, "If foreign born - Is he naturalized."

This Administration was caught lying to the courts about the purpose of adding the citizenship question. Physical evidence was discovered documenting their agenda, reducing congressional representation in urban areas to give more control to the republican party.

Edited: 07/11/2019 at 06:11 AM by 3rdworldlover

Liar!

In 1970, the Census Bureau began sending around two questionnaires: a short-form questionnaire to gather basic population information and a long form that asked detailed questions about everything from household income to plumbing. The short form went to most households in America. The long form was sent to a much smaller sample of households, 1 in 6. Most people didn't get it.
Starting in 1970, questions about citizenship were included in the long-form questionnaire but not the short form. For instance, in 2000, those who received the long form were asked, "Is this person a CITIZEN of the United States?"

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

They should be investigated for perjury. And if the SCOTUS goes along with it knowing their hidden intentions, then they should be impeached for judicial misconduct by a future democratically elected government.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Oh snap! Guppy swallower went to an internet site other than Faux or $hitbart!

Exactly Rusty, Wilbur lied like any $hit for brains twitler employee.

Edited: 07/11/2019 at 07:08 AM by Greensleeves

The American Community Survey is annual. It went online in 2005. It asks the questions that were on the long form sub-Census in 1970, 1980, 1990, 2000. It replaced the long form. No need to ask those questions of a sample of the population once every 10 years if you are doing it every year. Citizenship has not been on the actual primary census form since the 1950 census.

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Okay, it was on the long form that was sent to 1/6th of households. However, that was before the US began criminalizing and dehumanizing immigrants with ICE raids, intentional family separations, and indefinite detention in concentration camps without rights to trial or bond hearings.

They should just ask the FBI who is here. Don't they know and have facial recognition and DNA samples to go with the data?

"If one listens to left-wing talking points, one might wrongly conclude that the GOP has gerrymandered the Congress so unfairly that Democrats can't get elected. That's nonsense. There is no gerrymandering in Senate seats or Governorships, and yet the GOP does well there too. The real gerrymandering problem in this country springs from the effect of illegal immigration in producing more democratic seats in primarily democratic states.

How does this happen, you ask? Ever heard of the census? That's how we determine how many people are in the country, and that is the number we use to draw Congressional Districts in each state. We also apportion federal dollars to those states and provide electoral votes based on those numbers.

You probably never gave this much thought, but did you realize that California already has a bunch of Congressional seats that exist solely due to the Census counting illegal aliens?
Why are we providing Congressional representation for people who are not Americans, and why would we ever reward sanctuary states with more federal money and more congressional power for being home bases for illegal aliens?

Oh, and when I say gerrymandering, make no mistake, illegal aliens fuel the Democratic party. There is no GOP Congressional representative of any district with large numbers of illegal aliens. Now, that's some Gerrymandering. It's not racial gerrymandering. It's not political gerrymandering, it's illegal alien gerrymandering through a wholly unsupported and dubious reading of the Constitution. It also favors the Democrats ... massively.

First, like it or not, the Census, inexplicably counts illegal aliens. The argument for doing so makes no sense at all. Advocates claim that citizens in those states would be unfairly penalized by losing federal dollars if the Census didn't count illegal aliens. No. In the present system, those states and their citizens unfairly receive federal dollars to support illegal immigrants.

How else does this affect you? Consider this, California has Congressional representation for 2.3 million illegal aliens, using old, 2014, numbers. Not one person in California thinks that number is real or legitimate. But, let's use this otherwise mainstream media trusted source provided by the pew research group.

A Congressional district averages roughly 700,000 people per Congressperson. That means, California has at least three more Congressional seats, and more electoral votes, than it should have ... if we were counting only Americans and legal residents.
It's no coincidence that the bluest states on the map have the most illegal immigrants. The real question is this ... what are we going to do about it?

Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution discusses the Census and makes clear that apportionment of representation and taxes are by the number of people. Obviously, we don't collect taxes from nor return them to illegal aliens, and we certainly do not provide them with Representation in Congress. Indeed, they cannot vote in Federal elections, which means they are not intended to be represented there.

Yet, they are ... and in some states, they control whole districts, or wildly swing districts. Indeed, if California had to lose three Congressional seats and apportion its representation among legal residents, it would likely lose three democratic seats. In so doing, it would make many other districts more competitive and subject to possible wins by Republicans.

This citizen's only count also would affect election outcomes in nearly every state in the Union, where razor-thin margins of victory might easily flip if Districts were properly drawn to represent only citizens and those here legally. Populations of illegal aliens in the numbers of 300,000 to 700,000 reside in states like New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia. Do any of those states sound like they recently had tight races?

In Virginia, multiple Congressional Districts flipped on a scarcely a few thousand votes.

In that state, Democrats have sued alleging that Republicans gerrymandered Districts by packing them with "too many" minorities. (Virginia averaged the number of minorities in historically "minority-majority" districts and thus used that number to build its redistricting plan. The court found this to be racial meandering). But Virginia, according to Pew, had over 300,000 illegal aliens in 2014, and even if you thought that low number was then, it is larger now.
What might have happened in Virginia if the Census didn't count illegal aliens and if the Districts were drawn based on legal residents? The GOP might have held the seats it lost, or even gained a seat, that's how close it all was under the current system that counts illegal aliens.

The Country is gerrymandered, for sure. The party in power draws absurd lines to help it consolidate power. This has gone on forever, with each party using technology to get better at manipulating the power for the purpose of party politics. But, no one is addressing the real problem.

America is distributing tax money, electoral votes, and Congressional representatives based on illegal immigration.

That. Must. Stop.

I have written that sanctuary states, governors, and mayors should be properly prosecuted under federal law. I won't hold my breath. However, I see no reason to transfer wealth and political power to those states for harboring illegal aliens.
Americans must take back those Congressional seats. We must take back those federal dollars and reclaim those improper electoral votes. We should leave sanctuary states to support their own policies of sanctuary and grant them no additional money or political power.

Mostly, however, let's build a Federal government that answers only to legal residents and citizens, and that uses its money solely in support of those here legally.

Note: The number of House Seats never changes, obviously. However, the size of the Districts and the number in each state are based on population movements and changes. These changes also change the electoral voting power of states over time. Pulling out illegal aliens, who could number 20-30 million, but who certainly number at least 11 million, would make Districts numerically smaller and would change the number of districts in certain states, like California."

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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wtf? that opinion piece has minnow slayer's vapid attention

since when did scientists care about a census? And why are they democrats? I work with many scientists who are NOT democrats.

Census data is used to plan and design essential infrastructure, roads, schools, water and wastewater, flood control, power supply, housing, hospitals...