How illegal Immigration Fuels Real Unconstitutional Gerrymandering
By Richard Kelsey
November 29, 2018

If one listens to left-wing talking points, one might wrongly conclude that the GOP has gerrymandered the Congress so unfairly that Democrats can't get elected. That's nonsense. There is no gerrymandering in Senate seats or Governorships, and yet the GOP does well there too. The real gerrymandering problem in this country springs from the effect of illegal immigration in producing more democratic seats in primarily democratic states.

How does this happen, you ask? Ever heard of the census? That's how we determine how many people are in the country, and that is the number we use to draw Congressional Districts in each state. We also apportion federal dollars to those states and provide electoral votes based on those numbers.

You probably never gave this much thought, but did you realize that California already has a bunch of Congressional seats that exist solely due to the Census counting illegal aliens?
Why are we providing Congressional representation for people who are not Americans, and why would we ever reward sanctuary states with more federal money and more congressional power for being home bases for illegal aliens?

Oh, and when I say gerrymandering, make no mistake, illegal aliens fuel the Democratic party. There is no GOP Congressional representative of any district with large numbers of illegal aliens. Now, that's some Gerrymandering. It's not racial gerrymandering. It's not political gerrymandering, it's illegal alien gerrymandering through a wholly unsupported and dubious reading of the Constitution. It also favors the Democrats ... massively.

First, like it or not, the Census, inexplicably counts illegal aliens. The argument for doing so makes no sense at all. Advocates claim that citizens in those states would be unfairly penalized by losing federal dollars if the Census didn't count illegal aliens. No. In the present system, those states and their citizens unfairly receive federal dollars to support illegal immigrants.

How else does this affect you? Consider this, California has Congressional representation for 2.3 million illegal aliens, using old, 2014, numbers. Not one person in California thinks that number is real or legitimate. But, let's use this otherwise mainstream media trusted source provided by the pew research group.

A Congressional district averages roughly 700,000 people per Congressperson. That means, California has at least three more Congressional seats, and more electoral votes, than it should have ... if we were counting only Americans and legal residents.
It's no coincidence that the bluest states on the map have the most illegal immigrants. The real question is this ... what are we going to do about it?

Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution discusses the Census and makes clear that apportionment of representation and taxes are by the number of people. Obviously, we don't collect taxes from nor return them to illegal aliens, and we certainly do not provide them with Representation in Congress. Indeed, they cannot vote in Federal elections, which means they are not intended to be represented there.

Yet, they are ... and in some states, they control whole districts, or wildly swing districts. Indeed, if California had to lose three Congressional seats and apportion its representation among legal residents, it would likely lose three democratic seats. In so doing, it would make many other districts more competitive and subject to possible wins by Republicans.

This citizen's only count also would affect election outcomes in nearly every state in the Union, where razor-thin margins of victory might easily flip if Districts were properly drawn to represent only citizens and those here legally. Populations of illegal aliens in the numbers of 300,000 to 700,000 reside in states like New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia. Do any of those states sound like they recently had tight races?

In Virginia, multiple Congressional Districts flipped on a scarcely a few thousand votes.

In that state, Democrats have sued alleging that Republicans gerrymandered Districts by packing them with "too many" minorities. (Virginia averaged the number of minorities in historically "minority-majority" districts and thus used that number to build its redistricting plan. The court found this to be racial meandering). But Virginia, according to Pew, had over 300,000 illegal aliens in 2014, and even if you thought that low number was then, it is larger now.
What might have happened in Virginia if the Census didn't count illegal aliens and if the Districts were drawn based on legal residents? The GOP might have held the seats it lost, or even gained a seat, that's how close it all was under the current system that counts illegal aliens.

The Country is gerrymandered, for sure. The party in power draws absurd lines to help it consolidate power. This has gone on forever, with each party using technology to get better at manipulating the power for the purpose of party politics. But, no one is addressing the real problem.

America is distributing tax money, electoral votes, and Congressional representatives based on illegal immigration.

That. Must. Stop.

I have written that sanctuary states, governors, and mayors should be properly prosecuted under federal law. I won't hold my breath. However, I see no reason to transfer wealth and political power to those states for harboring illegal aliens.
Americans must take back those Congressional seats. We must take back those federal dollars and reclaim those improper electoral votes. We should leave sanctuary states to support their own policies of sanctuary and grant them no additional money or political power.

Mostly, however, let's build a Federal government that answers only to legal residents and citizens, and that uses its money solely in support of those here legally.

Note: The number of House Seats never changes, obviously. However, the size of the Districts and the number in each state are based on population movements and changes. These changes also change the electoral voting power of states over time. Pulling out illegal aliens, who could number 20-30 million, but who certainly number at least 11 million, would make Districts numerically smaller and would change the number of districts in certain states, like California.

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FKs head back in dark places

Yeah....didnt think you could or would argue actual facts.

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FK posts an opinion piece as fact. Doh! At least the a-hole that wrote the piece got an extra click so he can afford his oxy or new tires for his lowered car.

Corrine Brown's district wasn't drawn based on the fern pickers in Volusia and Putnam counties. It actually went around them and left then in an otherwise lily white district since they aren't voters. That district was drawn 100% on race to pile all of one demographic into Brown's safe seat to make sure all the neighboring seats could be uncontested Republican.

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No.

I posted an opinion piece that has a CRAP TON of facts in it.....validating his opinion.

Argue the FACTS....

MORON!

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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Could the minnow kisser point to any of the supposed facts? As it is, it's a shotgun blast of bs.

"The number of House Seats never changes, obviously. However, the size of the Districts and the number in each state are based on population movements and changes. These changes also change the electoral voting power of states over time. Pulling out illegal aliens, who could number 20-30 million, but who certainly number at least 11 million, would make Districts numerically smaller and would change the number of districts in certain states, like California."

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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More here.....IDIOT!

"How does this happen, you ask? Ever heard of the census? That's how we determine how many people are in the country, and that is the number we use to draw Congressional Districts in each state. We also apportion federal dollars to those states and provide electoral votes based on those numbers. "

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Then there is this....MORON!:

"First, like it or not, the Census, inexplicably counts illegal aliens. The argument for doing so makes no sense at all. Advocates claim that citizens in those states would be unfairly penalized by losing federal dollars if the Census didn't count illegal aliens. No. In the present system, those states and their citizens unfairly receive federal dollars to support illegal immigrants.

How else does this affect you? Consider this, California has Congressional representation for 2.3 million illegal aliens, using old, 2014, numbers. Not one person in California thinks that number is real or legitimate. But, let's use this otherwise mainstream media trusted source provided by the pew research group.

A Congressional district averages roughly 700,000 people per Congressperson. That means, California has at least three more Congressional seats, and more electoral votes, than it should have ... if we were counting only Americans and legal residents.
It's no coincidence that the bluest states on the map have the most illegal immigrants. The real question is this ... what are we going to do about it?
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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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I think we should definitely make the number of electoral votes in a state directly proportional to the population of citizens in that state. And the electoral votes should be apportioned from the state in proportion to the popular vote in that state. You get 60% of the vote in Florida you get 60% of the electoral votes. You split the state 50/50 you split the electoral count 50/50. But mostly we should definitely make the number of Electoral Votes per state directly proportional to the population of citizens in the state, no more no less. Great idea.

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This is exactly why we had founding fathers...and not commies!

We are a Constitutional Republic...NOT a democracy!

HELL NO THAT WONT FLY!

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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"what are we going to do about it?"

The answer is nothing. Because the GOP is old and beholden to a complete buffoon whose lawyers couldn't execute a simple yet heinous act. He's ineffectual and an idiot. Dumbing down the party to a point where they are a laughing stock.

PS Non citizens are getting counted whether the question is on there or not.

California deserves more representation as a forward thinking state and to honor the great Ronald Reagan!



Edited: 07/11/2019 at 11:37 AM by Greensleeves

LOL

FK and the GOP geezers can't win without rigging the system..

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It was rigged by the founding fathers....

MORON!

Changing it is epically hard to do...on purpose!

It's to keep dumbshits like you from screwing the pooch!

FOOL!

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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Still cheating..

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End gerrymandering and you end the Republican party.

Sounds good to me.

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I was right.

End ILLEGAL immigration and you END the Demoshit Party!

Sounds good to me!



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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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Republicans are the minority and hold power through gerrymandering. You might not like it, but a fact is a fact.

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I was right.

We shall see about that come 2020!

Bet you're wrong!

Fool!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

How so? Gerrymandering is still alive and well, and will be helping Republicans again in the election.



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I was right.

Illegal immigration is WAY more destructive for the election.

Whats your point?

Oh wait...you dont have one!

FOOL!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Yes, my point is the fact that Republicans are retaining power through gerrymandering. It's proven. There is no argument.

You can try to divert and obfuscate all you want, that doesn't change reality.

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I was right.

It's a flat out bald face fucking lie!

http://www.nationalreview.com/...ont-blame-republicans/

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Edited: 07/13/2019 at 04:44 PM by Fish Killer

The nationalreview? lol

The truth.

http://www.npr.org/2019/04/25/...nfairly-gerrymandered

http://www.reuters.com/article...stricts-idUSKCN1S91TD

http://www.reuters.com/article...ing-case-idUSKCN1TI1TN

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I was right.

As far as local.

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/5/9...-gerrymandering-ruling

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I was right.

"Two justices dissented from the decision - and one argued that the map the majority approved was drawn by "Democratic operatives," so it should have been discredited."

Look...the reverse actually occurred!

MORON!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

"If one listens to left-wing talking points, one might wrongly conclude that the GOP has gerrymandered the Congress so unfairly that Democrats can't get elected. That's nonsense. There is no gerrymandering in Senate seats or Governorships, and yet the GOP does well there too. The real gerrymandering problem in this country springs from the effect of illegal immigration in producing more democratic seats in primarily democratic states.

How does this happen, you ask? Ever heard of the census? That's how we determine how many people are in the country, and that is the number we use to draw Congressional Districts in each state. We also apportion federal dollars to those states and provide electoral votes based on those numbers.

You probably never gave this much thought, but did you realize that California already has a bunch of Congressional seats that exist solely due to the Census counting illegal aliens?
Why are we providing Congressional representation for people who are not Americans, and why would we ever reward sanctuary states with more federal money and more congressional power for being home bases for illegal aliens?

Oh, and when I say gerrymandering, make no mistake, illegal aliens fuel the Democratic party. There is no GOP Congressional representative of any district with large numbers of illegal aliens. Now, that's some Gerrymandering. It's not racial gerrymandering. It's not political gerrymandering, it's illegal alien gerrymandering through a wholly unsupported and dubious reading of the Constitution. It also favors the Democrats ... massively. "

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

The real gerrymandering problem in this country springs from the effect of illegal immigration in producing more democratic seats in primarily democratic states.

Nope, or Florida would be one of them. Wrong as always. Lyin Fish, do you ever get anything right?

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Edited: 07/14/2019 at 08:56 AM by Cole

The only liar here is YOU!

A pathological liar!

We dont have epic illegal immigration in THIS state!

There are plenty of states that fill THAT bill!

California comes to mind.

FOOL!

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Other than Texas and California, we have the most. Texas has an estimate of 1.6 million, yet they are Republican.

Do you ever tire of being wrong? Do you ever tire of being duped by the web sites that you follow religiously?

Nah, you are a fucking idiot, of course you don't.

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I was right.

PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!

Well you're full of shit as usual....

THERE ARE NO NUMBERS FOR ILLEGAL IMMEGRATION!

MORON!

THATS WHY WE NEED THE QUESTION ON THE CENSUS!

FOOL!

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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Edited: 07/14/2019 at 12:33 PM by Fish Killer

"The justices, in a 5-4 decision, sidestepped a ruling on the merits of the case."

Nuff said.

Obama era judges are NOT supposed to invent law.



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"IMMEGRATION"

Yup. 3rd grade level alright..

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Cuz spelin, figurin numburs, and punkchuashin: are HAAARD.....!




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It's a democratic hoax

...can't argue facts.

typical commie shit.

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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http://www.pewhispanic.org/int...d-immigrants-by-state/

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I was right.

Yup, and the fact is, you spell like a 3rd Grader.


And that's the fact, Jack!




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Fish Killer,

You said you don't "celebrate" your gayness (or gayosity or whatever you prefer this week), yet you drew a purple butt plug/dildo/gay assed sex toy thingy on a picture.

I'm not gay.

MORON!

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

You said your sexuality is a choice, i.e. you choose not to like men.

That's pretty gay in my book.

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I was right.

Liking men sexually...like you do...is gay.

I NEVER said sexuality was a choice.....you did.

LIAR!

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Now are you admitting God created gay people?



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I was right.

Being male or female is NOT a choice.

It's a FACT.

It SCIENCE......

It's GENETICS!

God made you male OR female.

THAT'S sexuality!

There are ONLY two choices!

NOT 5 or 7 or 10 choices!

Liking men sexually...like you do...is gay.

Being gay is a choice....NOT GENETICS!

MORON!



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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 07/15/2019 at 06:14 AM by Fish Killer

Then why did you say this?

I DON'T like men for sex.

Liking men sexually...like you do...is gay.

I NEVER said sexuality was a choice.....you did.

LIAR!

Male - female, that's known as gender.

Do you see the word gender in your post?

Nope, you said sexuality.

So you are either a liar or very confused. Which is it?

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I was right.

There is a BIG difference between SEXUALLY and SEXUALITY....

MORON!

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Caught in another lie. Yep, the Lyin Fish.

So how many does this make?

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I was right.

Doesn't one have to ACTUALLY LIE to be a liar?

Just you making a BULLSHIT CLAIM in no way means that there was a lie made!

You cant READ....COLESLAW!

GO BACK TO 3RD GRADE AND LEARN HOW TO READ!!!!!!!!!

MORON!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 07/15/2019 at 10:03 AM by Fish Killer

Dang, I didn't know Lyin Fish was gay! Congrats on coming out bro.

Now if you could just get out of jail you could live your true lifestyle.. well not that you aren't already behind bars.

You go gurl!

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Just come on out of the closet FK, it's OK. You'll feel better.

I might even let you out of jail..



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Edited: 07/15/2019 at 08:26 AM by fishkller

Go back to 3rd Grade?

Come on man, he doesn't want to have to sit next to you.. (or smell you)

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