But you can't villainize him if you don't know who he is. So what do the Patriots in the GOP do? Everything they can to find out, including passing out a list of possible people they think it might be.

And for what? Trump has admitted to almost everything on the phone call. The only part that was not provided was the specifics about Burisma. So how does this help? Trump admits to it and you attack it as hearsay? Then you get first hand info and you attack the bonafide war hero of "being born in the Soviet Union" as if that inference is all the proof you need?

Today, trump is advising his top White House national security advisor Eisenberg not to testify that once he heard the perfect phone call, he quickly transferred it to the top secret server where it was his intention to hide it. That's obstruction.

Now, today trump has predictably floated out his latest attempt at his evolving defense: I didn't ask for a quid pro quo but even if I did, there's nothing wrong with that. I like what he did there with an admission and a denial. This is based upon his understanding that whatever he does as president is lawful bc he's the president.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Trump demands whistle blowers identity. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/...wer-testify-in-person- - -the-thing-he-refused-to-do-in-mueller-probe/ar-AAJQ164?ocid=spartanntp

Why? So he can verify what Trump already admitted to and sic the deplorables on him for it?

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

The child President tantruming again? Anyone that could respect that idiot isn't playing with a full deck.

The whistle-blower is an American patriot and his/her identity needs to be protected.

"The whistleblower has a right to remain anonymous."

Not and testify against ANYBODY!

The Constitution's Bill of Rights calls you a LIAR!

Everyone has the right to address their accuser...TO THEIR FACE!

MORON!

GO BACK TO RUSSIA YOU COMMIE!

http://criminal.findlaw.com/cr...frontation-clause.html

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 11/04/2019 at 12:54 PM by Fish Killer

If you set a precedent that you can be a "whistleblower" for something you didn't even hear first hand, while remaining anonymous, then you are opening the door for people to just make up whatever the f they want. It's retarded. It isn't good for anyone. It will create an environment from here on out in which the legislative branch spends all its time with these bullshit investigations.

The whistleblower's name is Eric Ciaramella and he needs to testify under oath. Keep it behind closed doors if you want to. I don't care but both sides deserve to question him. It has been reported widely that Ciaramella has close ties to John Brennan, Susan Rice, and he previously worked under Joe Biden while Biden was VP. Someone's motivation does matter in situations like this one. Schiff wants him to remain anonymous, so no one has to testify under oath regarding how much interaction Schiff's office had with the "whistleblower" before he came forward with the complaint officially.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

guppy swallower wallowing in the filth that is the trump administration. Look how it has turned him into a shallow senseless know-nothing.

but lets go with the 6th amendment is twitler a criminal defendant in this proceeding? he should be of course but so far he ain't. is the whistleblower's testimony even needed? There is much more corroborating evidence to include that idiot Mulvaney and Trump admitting it was bribery to get dirt on an American citizen.

constitution thumping dim bulbs

Not at all to the above crazy almost Jim Jordan-esque response.

In the twitler bribing a foreign government issue yhere is a process and the whistle-blower followed it. Lying whistle-blowers risk their reputations and jobs.

Sniper (like all the talking points bobble heards) wants to the to the bottom of everything but what actually happened.

How about the precedent Trump set when he refused to cooperate with Muller by testifying under oath?

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

I don't think it's a stretch that the whistleblower's life may be in danger.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Yep, it's a real issue in a dictatorship.

Remember when Republicans ranted and raved over the Constitution and the rule of law? What nice goose-steppers they have turned out to be.



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The party of law and order, as long as it's not them.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

No modern Democrat has even remotely approached this level of bullshit; from debt and lack of success, to crimes and lies.



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I was right.

The whistleblower law was passed for good reason. It was accompanied by requirements that government agencies have effective inspectors general, some of whom have been busy in the Trump administration. As the attorney for the whistleblower in the Ukraine scandal has pointed out, his or her testimony is no longer needed. The original complaint has been corroborated and expanded upon by first-hand observers.

Liar!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Rand Paul says he knows who it is and it's up to the press to do "their" job and expose him. I think I know how his neighbor felt when he tackled Paul off his lawnmower and broke his ribs. This is dirty. The press that trump attacks everyday is now a tool to break the law, reveal the identity of someone who doesn't want their identity revealed, who offered to answer any questions but was rejected and whose statements were verified almost verbatim by the President and EVERY OTHER WITNESS. And then, when his identity is revealed, are we supposed to pretend that some guy with an AR will storm that pizza parlor full of pedophiles and shoot that lying traitor? Or that this wasn't the goal of outing him?

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

The mafia has taken over the US government, and anyone who threatens them is in danger. There's only one reason they want to out the whistleblower, that's to destroy them. That's how gangsters work.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

You guys are extremely short-sighted. Just because you think this may work in your favor in the short-term, you can't see how this opens a pandora's box moving forward. Do you really want anyone to be able to violate executive privilege anonymously, without having to face his accuser or any questioning if a Democrat ever gets back in office?

Trump hasn't committed a crime, so nobody is worried about him being removed from office. Wanting the accuser to testify has nothing to do with the impeachment because there is a 0% chance Trump will be removed from office for this horseshit. This has to do with preventing anonymous, partisan, bomb-throwers ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE, from getting away with this without having to face the person they are accusing.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Who gives a shit what they want.

The whistleblower doesn't need to come forward and shouldn't.

Trump doesn't comply with anything- even normal shit he SHOULD comply with..

why the Hell should the whistleblower come out when he has laws to protect him, is not required to do so, and these gangster thugs clearly just want to kill him.or at the very least destroy his life completely.

Fuck those Trumpanzees



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Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

As Americans, we should be investigating this.. and as Americans, we should be protecting the whistleblower's identity.

Not sure why you are cheerleading and defending a guy and his cronies who have so clearly been involved in shady shit

If nothing happened, they will find nothing.


As a footnote, it's "aisle"



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Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Edited: 11/05/2019 at 07:06 AM by fishkller

Investigating what? We have the transcript. Trump didn't do anything illegal.

The leaker's name is Eric Ciaramella. His identity is out there. He violated Executive privilege. This President, and all those that follow him, regardless of party affiliation need to know that they can have conversations with foreign leaders without having to worry about people like Eric Ciaramella, who worked under the VP of the previous administration, leaking the details of the conversation to the public. If Schiff and his merry band of retards really cared about the whistleblower's identity, they could have done this quietly, as they do with all the other whistleblower complaints. They don't give a Schiff about protecting the whistleblower's identity.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Edited: 11/05/2019 at 07:23 AM by Sniper

It might not be "illegal", but it's sure as Schiff impeachable.

Trump used U.S. military aid as leverage to force Ukraine to investigate former vice president Joe Biden and his family.

That, in itself, is considered a high crime, to use the Office of the Presidency of the USA to further one's own re-election campaign.

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GOP:

Gaslight
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Trump didn't just pull a name out of a hat and say, "please investigate this guy". If the Bidens had not given the appearance of impropriety in the dealings in Ukraine, then they wouldn't have been mentioned.

Why should the Bidens be above the law? How would anyone go about investigating this matter without the assistance of Ukraine?

Ukraine has received far more in aid monetarily and militarily from Trump than they ever did from Obama and Biden. They have not been forced to produce a report on Biden.

The people telling you to be outraged about this don't care if they make you look stupid in the process as long as they get what they want.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

OMG!! How indeed!

If the USA only had some kind of intelligence agency (that were centrally located) that had the ability to investigate things like this...

I guess we will never know, since Drumpf is the ONLY one smrt enuff to be able to sniff these things out.

Because, as he said, he's smarter than all the generals, and obviously he's just a stable genius...

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GOP:

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OHHHHH, I get it. We just send a bunch of CIA agents over to Ukraine and have them go to town questioning high profile Ukrainian businessmen and political figures. The Ukranian government probably won't even notice and if they do, they probably won't be curious enough to ask us WTF we are up to. Great ideas you got there!

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

We should all agree that the whistleblower gets to be anonymous. We already know that the whistleblower reported hearsay information. So their identity doesn't matter. The SOURCE of the whistleblowers information is what we need to know. Is the WBs source a Prime source, a secondary or tertiary source. We need to know who are the Prime sources everything else is hearsay. AND IF WBs information is somebodys Opinion of what took place and the WB is hearing somebodyelses second, third or forth hand Opinion, we should know those connections. IF three or Four other Prime sources have a different Opinion of what was said then those other sources should also be deposed. What we shouldn't be doing is looking at second and third degrees of opinions and claiming that those are factual representations of what was said to and what was understood by the Ukrainians.

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Liar!

The Constitution is VERY clear: High crimes and Misdemeanors....

If it's NOT illegal it's NOT a crime!

MORON!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

No he didn't!

Where on earth did you invent that shit?

Oh wait...you pulled it out of your ass.

It NEVER happened as we have the transcript....no matter what bovine feces you demoshits try to pull!

Didn't happen!

FACT!

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...mp-ukraine-transcripts

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 11/05/2019 at 11:24 AM by Fish Killer

Wow! I knew Lyinfishkller was a serious moron but....DANG!

He's a complete and total IDIOT!

...OR he's a traitor to this country and wants it's demise.

It's one or the other!

It's can't be anything else.

FACT!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 11/05/2019 at 07:33 AM by Fish Killer

Following the Whistleblower protection Act would be a dangerous precedent, not the precedent set by demanding foreign nations "investigate" US citizens (instead of the FBI) in exchange for weapons? Okay

Please show me where the Whistleblower Protection Act guarantees whistleblowers anonymity.

Is Eric Ciaramella even really considered a whistleblower if he is saying that he never even heard the conversation himself? He received a 2nd or 3rd hand account of it.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

"if he is saying that he never even heard the conversation himself? He received a 2nd or 3rd hand account of it"

so what? If the conversation happened as it was reported it's still a treasonous bull$hit act against a US citizen by the stupidest a-hole we've ever had as President.

No....its not.

Where did you invent that shit?!?!

Liar!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

We're WAY beyond that.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

^^^ There's your answer.

I know Hannity has got you guys all pumped up that Trump's not a crook but... didn't Nixon say the same thing?

Here's a hint: Trump is definitely a crook.


Most of us on here could see that back in the 80's..





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Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

There is no stated requirement for anonymity, the requirement is that there be no retaliation, which has been understood to mean that anonymity was the way to ensure that there would be no retaliation. The right to confront your accuser and cross examine them, cornerstones in criminal law, are not implicated in what is considered a civil complaint.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

And it looks like Rand Paul may do Trump's bidding and out the whistle blower. Doesn't really matter, though. His report has been overcome by events.....

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV


Edited: 11/06/2019 at 02:59 AM by Bamboo

It was Biden's fault for giving the appearance of impropriety? Got it. Have you seen Trump's "divestment" of his assets into a trust where he is the sole beneficiary? But that doesn't bother you. Or how about how there was no investigation into Biden when he was there, he left, there was still no investigation or allegation of anything more than getting a well paid job simply to dress up Burisma's international credentials, and no allegation that there was any crime committed. So Trump went through official channels to ferret out this wrong. No wait. He created a shadow state department with a free lawyer who is more hungry for fame and notoriety than he is and they found nothing so they asked the newly elected president Zelensky to create something so they could use the allegation in the election even if they couldn't actually prove anything. In the meantime, the Ambassador was not pleased so a Ukraine Oligarch with Russian loyalties gives two clowns hundreds of thousands of dollars to grease his marijuana interests as well as political clout to Rudy, Rudy got her fired, the President "lost confidence, period" in her and then he asked for a favor, though.

That about cover "nothing wrong?"

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

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GOP:

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project

So, are you upset that the Biden's weren't investigated sooner? You are upset that Obama didn't launch an investigation into his own VP?

Are you saying that you think Trump is the first President to have private citizens help them accomplish their goals? He's not.

Hunter Biden better thank God his last name is Biden and not Trump. His genetics may not be as good but at least he can keep his freedom.

What you guys are trying to pin on Trump is nuts when you take into account all the shady shit we know to be fact about what the Democrats have done the past 3-5 years. Russian oligarchs donating millions directly to the Clinton Foundation, Russian oligarchs paying the Clintons $500K per speech, Hunter Biden taking millions of dollars from Ukraine and China by industries he knows nothing about, Clinton paying a law firm who paid Fusion GPS who paid a Brit spy who paid Russians for lies that she used to commit FISA fraud and spy on her political opponents, the entire Russian hoax, Clinton working with Ukraine to dig up dirt on Trump, 3 Democrat Senators writing a letter to Ukraine to let them know they better cooperate with the Mueller investigation etc. You look at ALL of that and you want me to care about this phone call? LMFAO



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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Um, wow

Show some actual PROOF that he did!

I'll wait!

Fool!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

And you wonder why the hearings were conducted behind closed doors? To prevent people from lying. News flash: Sondland caught lying, comes back and ADMITS there was a stated goal for withhold the congressionally approved aid until Zelensky looked into Hunter Biden and crowdspace. But he remains steadfast that there was no quid pro quo. Busted. He's had to "amend" his previous "account" now that the other witnesses have corroborated and substantiated the details he misremembered the first time he was under oath. It's just so secret that they couldn't lie about it. They lied anyway. Now they are busted. Looks like the "process" they found so unfair actually accomplished the goal of preventing perjury and witness collaboration. Now it's available. Does anyone still think this was unfair?

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Liar!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Twitler supporters as obtuse as the Donald at a book club meeting.

The smoking gun? Twitler directed the Ukraine to work with non other than that sack Giuliani who does not work for the United States! WHy wouldn't he direct them to work with any one of our amazing intelligence agencies?

Twitler made a bull$hit request to a foreign Government to spy/dig dirt on an American citizen.

hey y'all Sniper sends in Giuliani to do the investigative work on the Bidens!

Of course America's mayor has as assets his Russian buddies Igor and the other guy, oh wait they are under federal charges right?

poor sniper, too much time spent worshiping twitler

See the deal here is there is "evidence" against twitler. There's the testimony of how many patriots now? Twitler is a dumb a$$ surrounded by yes people. Nothing more.

The GOP bumblers can accuse the Democrats all they want but after all the chants of lock her up and a GOP controlled house, senate, Presidunce, and political appointees everywhere they still couldn't pull off $hit on anyone! Put that in your nasty vape pen and smoke it.

What does Sniper get aligning himself with those idiots? Some pitiful tax break they dropped in his feeder?

You have to pick which horse you're riding into battle with, sniper.

The Bidens were not investigated at all, much less sooner. No one confuses what Rudy tried to do with an investigation.

Trump is not the first president to use private citizens to help him? This is the everyone does it argument. Calling the president's personal lawyer a private citizen as he bypassed all legitimate and legal processes for inquiry is hardly everyone does it, unless by everyone you mean Michael Cohen.

Hunter Biden is capitalizing on his last name, but since you never cared about it when trumps kids did it I wonder if you are capable of applying the same standard to both and condemn both equally using the same rule.

And your last attempt: Hillary did it. No she didn't. You have seen the links debunking most of that junk and even if she was guilty of everything you hate her for, that is not may reason to defend trump for the same thing. If it was wrong with Hillary it's wrong with trump. And if the Russian hoax was baseless, why is trump still asking the Ukrainians for crowdstrike info, a debunked Russian bot lie designed for people like you who want to believe that Russia wasn't behind the DNC hacks and the Wikileaks's info dumps as the pussy grabbing tape was made public. You saw the how the investigation predated the Steele dossier, where why and how. And here you are selling ice cream in the hot hot sun. Trump is the victim. Trump has it harder then anyone. Trump is doing what they all do. It's right up with stable genius.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

No Schiff, the Bidens weren't investigated. Who was going to do it, Obama?

Hunter Biden was being paid by Ukraine and China for subjects that he knew nothing about. The Trumps are running their successful business and most of the kids are extremely active in the company.

Trump is investigating it because he wants those responsible for the FISA fraud, the spying, and all the rest of it to pay. Most Americans do.



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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

We have had these discussions. We have cited our sources. I'm surprised you cling to these arguments.

"According to Steele's sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia's state-owned oil giant Rosneft. Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting "senior members of the presidential administration" during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School." Politico.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Edited: 11/05/2019 at 04:31 PM by johnnyboy

Yo!

SHITFORBRAINS!

Don't you get it yet?!?!

BIDEN IS GUILTY AS HELL!

FACT!

http://realityanddenial.wordpr...HCDot0aIvtn4E7zoPN7VPw

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 11/05/2019 at 06:36 PM by Fish Killer

Page was a VP for Merril Lynch's energy division in their London and Moscow offices in the past. Why would it surprise anyone that he knows high-level energy contacts in the UK or Russia?

What countries are Americans allowed to do business with and have contacts with people in without the left pointing to that as a clear sign of guilt? Page should have just applied for a Community Organizer job in Detroit and everyone would be happy.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

You got me. I was distracted and addressed your distraction...again. My fault.

The president is person whose office is supposed to protect the whistleblower. The whistleblower has the right to sue anyone who divulges his identity. That's probably why the GOP is pumping the brakes in this. It's sounding like Valerie Plame's outing with financial consequences for the trump apologist who reveals it.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

"The whistleblower has the right to sue anyone who divulges his identity."

He has the right to sue anyone for anything he things is wrong....

Outing him isn't wrong...it's Constitutional!

MORON!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Trump is attempting silence by intimidation. Just another strongman tactic.

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I was right.

usually a guilty strongman tactic

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump

one would hope , even yourself that in this country you are innocent until prove guilty; and you can confront your accuser. Standard law practice, the moment this stops we are all screwed. What law school was that you attended?

beater a horrible person! woman raped? rapist needs to see her. children abused? abuser needs to see children. Why?

I hope you have an incident and all these things happen to you and you cry like a bitch. you have a way of not understanding truth and there truly is no help for your condition

woman raped? rapist needs to see her. children abused? abuser needs to see children. Why?.... Assumed to be innocent... that is the cornerstone of our justice system. But even so you misunderstand.... They do not have to ever meet face to face.... ever... the defendant does get to know who it is that is accusing them, In the case of rape or child abuse the Lawyer gets to interview the victims, establish what the accuser says so that they can provide an alibi. The accuser does not get a face to face, they get to be represented by council, they get to, through a lawyer, question the accuser. How would you be able defend your self against accusations like 20 years ago I was at a party and this guy raped me, but I don't know what town it was in, I don't know what address, I don't know what month of the year...The guy is responsible to tell the victim all the places and times he has an alibi so the victim can invent a crime scene? NO, that's not how it works..

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GOP tools reasoning skillz faltering, and why not? They follow a dimwit as their high leader.

What about anonymous tip lines the cops put out? Are those illegal?

Does the drug king pin have the right to face his/her accuser when doing so would put the accusers life in danger and probably result in no one else calling a tip in?

Edited: 11/20/2019 at 01:57 PM by Greensleeves

Cheater, the presumption of innocence applies to criminal cases. It's a rebuttable presumption. That means that you must start believing someone is innocent unless or until the facts, evidence and testimony prove otherwise. I'm at otherwise.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Confidential informants bring down criminals all the time. Defendant has no right to know who they are either.

Thats a bald faced LIE!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Also. Whistle blowers are granted protections because they are the genesis of institutional wrongs. They are an investigative beginning, not a verdict.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

DOJ guidelines on Confidential Informants:

Confidential informants are often uniquely situated to assist the FBI in its most sensitive investigations. They may be involved in criminal activities or enterprises themselves, may be recruited by the FBI because of their access and status, and, since they will not testify in court, usually can preserve their anonymity.

According to the FBI's Manual of Investigative Operations and Guidelines (MIOG), CIs are classified in each of the following categories: Organized Crime, General Criminal, Domestic Terrorism, White Collar Crime, Confidential Source, Drugs, International Terrorism, Civil Rights, National Infrastructure Protection/Computer Intrusion Program, Cyber Crime, and Major Theft and Violent Gangs.

Source: https://oig.justice.gov/special/0509/chapter3.htm

FAIL!

We have a WHISTLEBLOWER statute/law!

It pertains to this sphincter that we are referring to!

That statute/law does NOT guarantee ANY anonymity for the whistleblower.

NONE!

He/she is NOT a 'confidential informant' and he/she is REQUIRED to testify!

MORON!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 11/21/2019 at 05:21 AM by Fish Killer

Thank you hap. GOP dumb a$$es only see what is being shoveled in their trough on fox.

Twitler and his $hithead administration probably only want to know who the whistleblower is so they can continue bringing down Ukraine. Why? Because Putin wants it!

They want the whistle blower because it is their only line of defense. Unfortunately, Sondland just blew that and every other one of their weak points to hell.

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I was right.

Yup, WB should be protected. Just as any other informant in other types of criminal cases discussed in this thread.

Bwahahahahhahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

You're out of your flippin' mind!

Better watch this as it COMPLETLY calls you a fucking LIAR!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Bummer thay they won't ID the whistleblower ... Trump spent a whole week of President time thinking up witty nicknames. Now who's he gonna pick on?

Any female waitstaff around he can bully?

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Zzzzzzz.. Zzzzzzz.. Braaaaaapp!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Look...the moron speaks.

The whistleblower is well known.

He was outed long ago....by Schiff!

Fool.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Sondlund saw he was being vetted as a bag man and defended himself by testifying everyone was in the loop and well aware of the quid pro quo and why it was happening. Looks like Pompeo and Pence are not as dumb and oblivious as they are pretending. Now it's trump turn again to tweet himself out of office. I can't wait for the gop to ask him to do the honorable thing and resign. Trump. The honorable thing. That's when trump explains that he is the GOP, there is no GOP without him and his idea of honor is to smear Pelosi and advise every republican to "stay honor."

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.