"Sort of like politics where you can show someone a stat or a result and the other person just cannot get over their perceive perception that they could be wrong, or were wrong". Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. In reading your posts, you seem to be saying that anybody who doesn't think UCF is the one and only true Natl Champ is a hater. I don't know how I could have rooted for UCF every single game and be considered a "hater". Logic 101 was missing from your curriculum, apparently. Step right up and drink the Kool-Aid, everybody, otherwise you are a "hater". One can be a fan, even a super fan, while still admitting reality.