306 hours is just working 30 hours per week for one 10-week stretch of summer. Easy peasy. That reflects both college being undervalued, likely a result of supply & demand, as well as larger state subsidies.

Higher costs now are due to higher faculty/staff salaries and fancier buildings, as well as demand (because "everybody" has to go to college now).

Needing 4459 hours nowadays is not bad.

First, that's only 2.23 years (working 2000 hours/year), not a bad time of "indentured servitude" to pay off an investment that will benefit you for a lifetime.

Second, if you're working a minimum wage job after 4 years of public college, you did something very wrong.

If you're making just over 2x minimum wage, say 2.23x to make it round, that's one full year's income. Not too hard to pay that off, along with interest, in 5 years, as long as you're not living high on the hog. Hell, I had roommates until I was 34 just to save a few bucks.


Pretty soon, Bernie and Kamala will join AOC on The Price Is Right, getting it wrong every time.


Edited: 04/24/2019 at 02:00 PM by RegularJoe

And here's Joe with a cute photoshop. I would say that the killer in education costs isn't tuition, it's housing. A lot of the kids borrow money to live on because a part time job and full time school is pretty tough if you're studying something serious.

Also Joe you're suggesting that someone can put 100% of their income toward a loan payoff for two years after college? Even 20% off the top toward debt service sounds tough.

I'd rather see us make a public investment in young people and train them for jobs we'll need for the Green New Deal.

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Edited: 04/24/2019 at 02:02 PM by RustyTruck

sitting on a fence. ok, buddy but am clearly not on their side. what side are you on? your arent on ours and you aren't on theirs. call it like i see it. my side isnt immune to just criticism just cause it is my side. criticizing behavior that hurts my side should be done by more people. cant pretend to take the high road when traveling the low anymore than you can claim to be against fascism while condoning fascist behavior such as you do

I condone fascist behavior? I'm with Debs, "While there is a lower class, I am in it, while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free."

What do you stand for? You see the violence in the system and you want to ask politely "please sir, could you be a bit less shitty, if it's not too much trouble. Thank you sir."


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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

you cry fascism while being fully willing to suppress free speech that you dislike. that is a cornerstone of fascism and hypocritical. i too stand against fascism but for freedom of speech. you want to rip apart the government and system. i want to fix it. you want to rip apart our entire economic system and replace it with something proven to fail time and time again, socialism. i want to fix our system by instilling controls, constraints, reducing corporate influence, removing lobbying, etc. so what do i stand for, i stand for this country and its people. that means i am against the horror that is trump and i am against people like you that want to watch it all burn. sure we agree on a good many issues save for these few key ones, we can align with each other against trump, but we fundamentally are different. sure maybe a phoenix will rise from the ashes of what you propose, but probably not. america is worth saving. i would rather rise above and fix things than tear it all down and that begins with each person rising above debasing themselves. it is clear what i stand for, always has been. maybe open your eyes and stop asking stupid questions

RT is the epitome of a fascist. Silence what you don't want to hear and take what you didn't produce.....

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Edited: 04/25/2019 at 04:36 AM by worksuxgetsponsered

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

How much of tuition and general costs are raised by College Sports, or is it like our county golf courses--in the red!

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Two years of all your pay. Most of America has no savings.

Sure you can pay the school debt in a few years. lol

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Sports raises 2 years pay, where did you pull that from, it looks a bit brown to me!

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You stand for "more of the same" failed neo-lib policies which got us trump in the first place. Fact is, the US is in decline and may be unrecognizable fairly soon, yet you still want to run the same play that failed last time. You should read up on the paradox of free speech. History shows us what can happen when well meaning but misguided centrists ignore creeping fascism.

Vote for Joe, and when you get trump you can come cry about it on NSR.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

maybe instead of attacking opposition to trump, you should keep your efforts aimed in his direction. any candidate running on anything remotely close to what you propose would lose in a landslide. you said in the past you are perfectly ok with that too. i dont buy it, nor want it. most sane people wouldnt either. socialism, suppressing free speech, and other things you have mentioned have failed in every culture going back in time. you are selling snake oil. call it milquetoast, white wash, neo-lib, or any other derogatory term (to you) term that you like, but rational, reasonable, doable, and more importantly keeping our country intact is a far better than your brand of nonsense

not much point in continuing the argument. we are quickly moving into the gutter. best to leave that to fk and his ilk

Not in VA or NC. That is closer to what VT cost in the 1990s.

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I agree, a decent politician from either party is much, much more preferable to the 'business man' we have right now. There is a reason that politics is a profession.



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