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Topic Title: Florida Biologists suck...as usual!
Topic Summary: Yes it's about fish....BUT my beef is that the so called Biologists are incompetent!
Created On: 07/17/2019 04:06 PM
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 07/17/2019 04:06 PM
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Fish Killer

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Just like the few incompetent ones on this forum!

Leaky Waders
July 14 at 10:01 PM
I'm no biologist, but I think there might be a better time to open red snapper season than when every fish is bursting with fat sacks of roe and milt. Your tax and other dollars have been allocated to NMFS/SAFMC/Dept. of Commerce/FWRI and the fishery has been closed for TEN YEARS for them to STUDY RED SNAPPER BIOLOGY.
You would think they'd have a teensy lil bit of insight into spawn timing?
100% of fish I gutted this week were ready to blow. Commercial and rec season is wide open the full breadth of a waxing and full moon phase...of course these fish will be fornicating. I don't understand the logic.
There are way more big fish now, which is great. But this is quite an oversight that just doesn't bode well for the credibility of the resource managers or the health of the fish they are RESPONSIBLE for protecting.
Just an FYI, this is not an argument about rec vs commercial. This is about harvesting mass numbers at the wrong time of year. If they're spawning now, which regulators SHOULD KNOW BY NOW, then harvest by EVERYONE should be delayed until they've had a chance to release gametes for the year. This is BASIC FISHERIES BIOLOGY.
This is management sleeping on the job.
This is not a sustainable management strategy. Please pardon me for expecting more out of PhD fisheries biologists and statisticians being paid by we the people.
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 07/17/2019 05:18 PM
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fishkller

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Yeah let's listen to Lyin Fish with that fancy PHD he's got in Biology..

Irony is that this is probably due to climate change. (not that I know anything about fish reproductive cycles)


My suggestion to whoever wrote that (obviously not FK, as it is legible)

is to go get your degrees and then get involved if you can do a better job.

Not a scientist? Well, stick to crying on Facebook



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Edited: 07/17/2019 at 05:23 PM by fishkller
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Fish Killer

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Cant argue facts so just lie then tell the whistleblower to get a degree!

The commie demoshit way.

You cant argue with photographs and the FACT that
ALL of the female red snapper ARE FUCKING SPAWNING!

Go tell your commie demoshit BIOLOGISTS to get an ACTUAL DEGREE!

The one they BRIBED someone to get isn't good enough!

Sad.

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Edited: 07/17/2019 at 06:05 PM by Fish Killer
 07/17/2019 06:16 PM
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fishkller

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Just saying, a guy who still hasn't gotten past 3rd grade is not a guy that people take seriously..


Maybe you can get some of your boy's "best guys" in there, since he seems to have such high-calibre folks surrounding him-

I hear OJ Simpson is free- he's just about perfect for you guys


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Edited: 07/17/2019 at 06:19 PM by fishkller
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Fish Killer

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Get back to us all FAKE NEWS fishkller...when you have some proof that ALL of the female Red Snapper ARENT spawning...

Till then STFU!

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 07/17/2019 07:47 PM
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fishkller

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Never said they weren't spawning, Fake Knews.. judging by the photo, seems they are.

I said it would be ironic if they are now spawning at a different time due to climate change.

If you ask me- they should close all fishing. Period.

Humans have overfished the whole damn ocean.. why should these species suffer so fat dumbasses like yourself can float around and waste gas trying to catch fish .. so you can stuff it in your fat gut and hit 389 on the scale.

I say we feed your fat ass to the fish.

THAT is what I said LOL

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Edited: 07/17/2019 at 07:49 PM by fishkller
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Fish Killer

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...editing your post to say something different...well...

BUSTED!

LIAR!

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 07/17/2019 09:46 PM
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fishkller

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Nah - thats a lyin fish move.

I edit my posts when I make them if I see a typo. Check the timestamps oh fat one..

Also, next time read what people post first so you dont look like (more of) a jackass when you make your silly 3rd grade level replies..

BMI 79!





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 07/18/2019 04:38 AM
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Plan B

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For the 1st time ever, I agree with FK's post 100%...... While I'm pretty pro-conservation for a fisherman, The management of Red Snapper has been retarded. With the year long closings, why the hell do they toss a bone with a "mini-season" in the summer while they spawn?!? it makes no sense

Edited: 07/18/2019 at 04:51 AM by Plan B
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: fishkller

Nah - thats a lyin fish move.


Liar!

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 07/18/2019 04:55 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Plan B

For the 1st time ever, I agree with FK's post 100%...... While I'm pretty pro-conservation, The management of Red Snapper has been retarded. With the year long closings, while the hell do they toss a bone with a "mini-season" in the summer while they spawn?!? it makes no sense


Sadly this is only ONE of the retarded things that the management team of brain dead 'biologists' have done!

There are MANY!

This is the same logic and reasoning I hear from scumbird regularly!

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 07/18/2019 04:59 AM
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worksuxgetsponsered

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I agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense. They are apparently aware of the times coinciding....

Management of Spawning Aggregations The commercial fishery is managed under the IFQ program, except for Florida and Texas which have a daily catch limit. Net and spearing gear are prohibited in federal waters for the commercial fishery. There are no seasonal closures for the commercial fishery. The recreational fishery is subject to a daily catch limit of 2 in federal waters. In state waters, the catch limit is the same as the federal catch limit, or slightly less restrictive. Recreational gigging is permitted in all gulf states. The recreational fishery is open Jun. 1 - Jun. 11 for private and Jun. 1 - Jul. 16 for federal for-hire permit holders. The open season occurs during peak spawning months. Madison Swanson, Steamboat Lumps and the Edges are closed year round. The minimum size is 13" TL for commercial and 16" for recreational.


Gulf FSA

I sent an email to a friend asking for an explanation.

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Edited: 07/18/2019 at 05:00 AM by worksuxgetsponsered
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Plan B

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Commercial guys are allowed to keep 13" snapper?!?! wtf?!?! ..... someone calling the shots got paid $$$
 07/18/2019 05:08 AM
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Not only are biologists aware of what months highly desirable fish spawn, they know exactly what time of day certain aggregations are most actively spawning. And no, it has nothing to do with the moon as your friend seems to think.
Know what else biologists know? What the sugar industry is doing to our freshwater, what waterfront luxury developments are doing to the intracoastal.

Guess who else knows when humans are most likely to purchase fuel, tackle, beer, etc etc? The industries that sell those things. Money will always win out.

 07/18/2019 05:15 AM
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damonsharp

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The best thing your friend your friend can do is refuse to participate, and tell his buddies and the state exactly why.

I realize that's hard to do though. Still inform the state that hey, you're willing to go out after September in the VAS conditions and be happy with a slower bite. Try to get his buddies to express the same. If the state knows they'll still get their money, they might change it.

In any case, it's not the biologists who are dumb, nor the state. It's greed on the part of the state and businesses, and alaziness/unsportin
 07/18/2019 05:18 AM
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damonsharp

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. . .attitude on the part of rec fishermen, of which I too am guilty.


Now, let us argue about why commercial outfits can just pillage Willy nilly! Must be some dumb scientist's fault right?
 07/18/2019 05:50 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: damonsharp

. . .attitude on the part of rec fishermen, of which I too am guilty.





Now, let us argue about why commercial outfits can just pillage Willy nilly! Must be some dumb scientist's fault right?


The 'scientists' (biologists) get paid!

They have financial GAIN involved.

It is to their best interest to come up with the answers that their handlers want!

They are just as complicit as the ASSHOLES that deliver the LAW!

The two work hand in hand!

You cant separate them!

They are ALL part of the same pile of shit!

Nice try though!

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 07/18/2019 06:09 AM
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Cole

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Yea, fishy throws back all the spawning dolphin he catches too. lol

Hey what do you know, something new to be outraged about.
 07/18/2019 06:19 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Cole

Yea, fishy throws back all the spawning dolphin he catches too. lol
Hey what do you know, something new to be outraged about.


Yo....SHIT FOR BRAINS!

It's the SEASON for spawning for Red Snapper that I have a problem with!

We can catch Red Snapper outside of their spawning season!

MORON!

Dolphin (Mahi) can and do spawn ALL YEAR!

IQ79 STRIKES AGAIN!

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 07/18/2019 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer Just like the few incompetent ones on this forum! Leaky Waders July 14 at 10:01 PM I'm no biologist
And you seem to understand nothing about basic population dynamics either.

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