Washington - Thirty to 40 White House officials and administration political appointees are still operating without full security clearances, including senior adviser to President Donald Trump Jared Kushner and -- until recently -- White House staffer Rob Porter, according to a US official and a source familiar with the situation.
The White House claims that the backlog of interim security clearances is a procedural consequence of the review process carried out by the FBI and White House Office of Security, which can take time to complete.
But several sources, including intelligence officials who have served previous Democratic and GOP administrations, describe the backlog as very unusual and make clear that the process should have been completed after a year in office.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/09/...-clearances/index.html

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I was right.

Check all that apply:

___   FBI conspiracy

___   Rougues gallery possibly not participating and multiple lies/fibs found extending the reviews (this does happen)

___   Complete incompetence of current administration

 

 

This is something that would have been unconscionable under any previous R or D administration.

But the new GOP tribe will mostly ignore it I suspect.

I'll be on the lookout for any R's who come forward to protect the country.



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Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

Denis Diderot

But the new GOP tribe will mostly ignore it I suspect.

Yep.

Not only will they ignore, but they will defend Trump's actions and make excuses.

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I was right.

Seems like this should be more of a concern than the private email server thing.

The Repugs already did what they were paid for. Giving massive tax cuts to those that need it least. They don't have to do anything else. They're set for life.

That's what you think, Slimy.

Next will be a trend that has been growing in conservo states: making someone getting public assistance in any form to get a job. Meaning, there are a bunch of people who can't work or can't get jobs or don't live in areas where there are jobs, and boom, 40 or 50% are cut from the rolls. Insta-savings.

Then, social security will be privatized: meaning Wall Street is now in the game bigger than ever.

Finally, the VA goes away and with it enters private insurance, for profit hospitals and profit to those who write the laws.

Coleslaw is a complete blithering IDIOT!

He just cant stop lying his ass off!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11...ner-trump-family.html

http://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2...earances-presidential/

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Bullshit!

There are 40 people operating close to the president in the west wing on a regular basis without security clearances.

The NYT article you posted was speculative and from prior to stepping into the Oval Office. A lot has changed:



The Washington Post reports yesterday that Trump doesn't read his secret briefings - Kushner does, totally contrary to last November.

The blog you posted says the president has discretion to waive clearances - but for 40 key West Wing players? I call foul.

We must insist on better.




Edited: 02/12/2018 at 03:03 PM by follydude

YO....NUMBNUTS!

""The president can authorize clearance for anyone he wants," said Steven Aftergood, director of the project on government secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists. "It's part of his commander-in-chief role. He has broad, essentially unlimited, access in this area."
Like anyone else, Mr. Kushner would be subject to a background check by the F.B.I. But the president's authority is so broad, Mr. Aftergood said, that he could override red flags - like fraud, huge personal debt or ties to foreign governments - that would disqualify other applicants."



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

hahahaha

Well, thank God that Mr. T and his posse will never be allowed to know any of the "Real" truths about this world.

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Dora Hates You

Really? You don't think that would change his tune?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Trump can find out anything he wants to!

ANYTHING!

Fool!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

TRump is God.

That's a comforting thought.

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I was right.

Driving more Americans deeper into poverty and hopelessness just makes the revolution inevitable.

For a century, "welfare state" capitalism has kept things in a sort of balance. Corporate Dems and organized labor forced the capitalists to share enough to maintain a sizeable middle class and keep the "American Dream" alive.
Since Reagan, the conservatives have essentially defeated organized labor and supported policies which accelerated the upward transfer of wealth.

Democrats have been utterly ineffective in mounting significant resistance, probably because they represent the same corporations who now sell to global markets and no longer need an American middle class.

I've been shocked by the resurgence of all flavors of socialist theory among the youth/students of my son's generation. They run the gamut from Marxist/Leninist/Maoists (state communism) to anarcho-syndicalist/communist (libertarian communists if you will). They are all over the place, but one theme is clear, a large segment of the youth no longer sees capitalism as sustainable or desirable.

I should start a new thread, I know I've gone off topic; perhaps I can steer it back by staying that there is a school of thought on the left that trump is a good thing the way a wild fire is good for new growth in the forest.

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Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

Denis Diderot

Start a new one      I thought that things were going to smooth out but they seem to be splintering

 

Sadly, it has been backed up for a long long time in regards to doing investigations, polygraph (depending on clearance), and issuing the clearance. Even renewing my clearance, which is far easier than issuing a new one, took a year longer than it was supposed to. It was supposed to be done in March 2015 and wasn't completed until May 2016. I was basically working with an expired clearance for several months. This has been a common and widespread problem for years. I mean sure blame Trump for last year or so of this mess, but you will also need to blame Obama for it as well because it greatly predates the current president.

Having an overdue Background Investigation does not mean you lost your clearance.   When you lose your clearance you wil be notified in writing that your clearance is revoked and no longer valid.  Also JPAS and other tools will reflect that you lost your clearance.    Going longer than the designated time for phased periodic reinvestigations is fairly common and has been for at lest two decades.   

 

Interim clearances have limits - holders cannot access certain types of information at the level of their interim clearance, if at all, depending on the subject  (Reference DOD 5220.22).

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

I don't think it is the responsibility of the applicant to work on his clearance. The people in charge of granting or denying are at fault. Grant the clearance, or deny it. Somebody is not doing their job, get rid of them.

Been a problem for years. On what grounds would you claim someone isn't doing their job? Sometimes inability to keep up with demand is caused by something other than that ya know.

Maybe, but it is the applicant's responsibility to provide complete and accurate information on the SF-86, and apparently at lest a few in the WH didn't. 

So, since they didn't provide complete and accurate information you are saying they should be denied?

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

Seems pretty shaky to say the least. But then again, the POTUS is the final word on "clearance".

Even though, he is a civilian himself and Has Not Been Cleared.

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Dora Hates You

shutdown, slowed-down, under-staffed and shitty pay
Who wants that job?

There are lots of people that would love those jobs.

We're not talking about government contractors over at Harris, we're talking about the staff of the White House.

A year in, those checks should be complete, unless there's some reason one might not want them to be complete.

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Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

Denis Diderot

You would think. 18 months in and my new hire still doesn't have his clearance.

Does your new hire advise the President of the United States and/or control the information that the President of the United States receives on a daily basis?

Didn't think so. We have a problem with this situation that is not at all similar to your job, but thanks for trying to defend your hero. MAGA!

Yo fruitloops!

Trump is legally allowed to do as he pleases with his staff.

If you don't like it...TOUGH SHIT!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Hey dickface, I didn't vote for Trump and I think he is a clown, complete with little "car".

What is up with some of you wingnuts that automatically think anything said that doesn't 100% fall in line with your thoughts means you are completely on the opposite pole? It was fuckkng stupid when FK did it regarding Obama and it is stupid when you and others do it about Trump. Think about that for a second.

That's the problem with this administration summed up: just because you can doesn't mean you should.

LOL

..and folks like KGBkrammit and FK were blowing an artery over Hillary's mail server.

Trump and co have revolving door intel briefings- who needs clearance?

What a bunch of bumbling amateurs LOL

Its like the Keystone Kops up there

Guess the circus is in town!



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"There Is No Epstein List"

YO BUTTWIPE!

IT"S ILLEGAL AS HELL!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Remember when Jared Kushner got elected as President?

Yeah, neither do I.

LOL



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"There Is No Epstein List"

FWIW - My understanding is that the POTUS is the final authority and can grant access to information to anyone he wants and is not in violation of any laws. Not the smart thing to do though....

God only knows where the information is ending up.

A true clown car: The story of the White House.

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I was right.

He can declassify information, he can't grant clearance to people.

I don't think anyone ever thought there would need to be laws on common sense things like this.

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Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

Denis Diderot

He is worse at this than even I thought he would be..

Total amateur hour.

Staff quitting, fired or getting arrested constantly - there's more drama surrounding that crew than an Appalachian Emergency Room episode of Cops.

The joke Obama made about a hot tub on the front lawn of the Whitehouse turned out to be true LOL

Thank god I dont have to defend that turd all day to save face... must be a unique form of self delusion trying to make yourself believe anyone takes him seriously at this point

It has been alot of fun watching him F everything up.. turns out his "presidency" has been a hoot, really.

But we all know the really fun part has yet to come..

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"There Is No Epstein List"

No.

He doesn't have to declassify information to grant someone access to it.

That is silly.

The man had a high level meeting with Abe in a crowded restaurant and ratted out top secret information to Russians in the White House.

Like I said, God only knows where this info is ending up.

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I was right.

Well lets just hope the aliens and Majestic 12 hid the good stuff long before the White House hot tub was installed...

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"There Is No Epstein List"

Breaking News: Trey Gowdy leading Congressional investigation into White House bull shit...... news at 11.

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So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off.

... They're writing their own rules.



This is very troubling as The Hill reported a couple of days ago that Kushner consumes more Intel than anybody else in the West Wing...

Idiot!

Again!

"The president can authorize clearance for anyone he wants," said Steven Aftergood, director of the project on government secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists. "It's part of his commander-in-chief role. He has broad, essentially unlimited, access in this area."
Like anyone else, Mr. Kushner would be subject to a background check by the F.B.I. But the president's authority is so broad, Mr. Aftergood said, that he could override red flags - like fraud, huge personal debt or ties to foreign governments - that would disqualify other applicants."




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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

... and you're ok with that?

Traitor.

It's been the LAW of the land since the beginning!

TRAITOR!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

That wasn't my question, traitor.

Fraud - personal debt - ties to foreign governments. All red flags. You're ok with that?

It is true a President can approve clearances, even if he is a self serving untrustworthy criminal. 

My question is:  Why didn't the President intervene and grant his crew full clearances and get rid of the "Interim" tag?

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

Those are examples...not actual occurrences.

Idiot!

As for if I agree...that doesn't matter either!

It's the LAW and has been so since day one!

Moron!!!!!

The "traitor" is you!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Another conviction in the TRump circle, with another coming within the week.

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I was right.

Oh we with no memory (and a very low IQ).

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...lons-in-obamas%20life/

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Solyndra? Really? That's the best you've got?

Trump's people lied to the FBI. This shit is real, not some Beerbart fluff.

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I was right.

What planet are you on?

This is ONLY the top 10!

There are about 100+ so far!

There are MANY more to come!

IDIOT!

Top Ten Convicted Felons and Shady Characters in Barack Obama's Life
by John Nolte

Now that the increasingly erratic and desperately sleazy Obama campaign has decided to cavalierly throw around the word "felony" when it comes to pushing a campaign of lies surrounding Mitt Romney and Bain Capital, this seems like a good time to jump in the wayback machine for a look at the actual convicted felons, criminals, and dubious characters who have always been associated with Barack Obama's political life.

What? What's that? You don't want to talk about this?
Objection overruled, Corrupt Media!
The President opened this door, and now we're going to walk right on through it.
Starting with...

1. Former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich: Sentenced to 14 years in prison for political corruption.
NBC Chicago:
President Barack Obama's chief of staff, then a congressman in Illinois, apparently attempted to trade favors with embattled Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich while he was in office, according to newly disclosed e-mails obtained by The Associated Press.
Emanuel agreed to sign a letter to the Chicago Tribune supporting Blagojevich in the face of a scathing editorial by the newspaper that ridiculed the governor for self-promotion. Within hours, Emanuel's own staff asked for a favor of its own: The release of a delayed $2 million grant to a school in his district.

2. Tony Rezko: Sentenced to 10 and a half years for corruption and kickbacks.
Politico:        
Rezko raised money for Obama when he ran for Illinois senator, but not during his presidential campaign, the AP noted.
Obama also involved Rezko in a house deal after he was elected to the U.S. Senate, a move he later called "a boneheaded mistake," according to a 2008 report in ABC News.
Obama wanted to purchase a home that the seller had a specific condition on: the adjacent empty lot to the house had to be purchased at the same time, ABC News reported. In the house deal, Rezko's wife paid the full asking price for that parcel, $625,000.
Obama shelled out $300,000 under the house's asking price, paying $1.65 million, according to ABC News. Obama then purchased a part of Rezko's lot for $104,500.
"It was a mistake to have been engaged with him at all in this or any other personal business dealing that would allow him, or anyone else, to believe he had done me a favor," Obama told the Sun-Times at the time.
Obama said his connection to Rezko was "above board and legal."
Rezko and others connected to him gave Obama's 2004 Senate campaign more than $120,000, ABC News reported.
ABC News:
While Rezko's wife paid the full asking price for the land, Obama paid $300,000 under the asking price for the house. The house sold for $1,650,000 and the price Rezko's wife paid for the land was $625,000.
Obama denies there was anything unusual about the price disparity. He says the price on the house was dropped because it had been on the market for some time but that the price for the adjacent land remained high because there was another offer.
Obama then expanded his property by buying a strip of the Rezko land for $104,500, which the senator maintains was a fair market price.
Obama later told the Chicago Sun-Times, "It was a mistake to have been engaged with him at all in this or any other personal business dealing that would allow him, or anyone else, to believe he had done me a favor."
Obama had known Rezko long before the house deal, calling him a "friend."
An ABC News review of campaign records shows Rezko, and people connected to him, contributed more than $120,000 to Obama's 2004 campaign for the U.S. Senate, much of it at a time when Rezko was the target of an FBI investigation.
It's important to keep in mind that this was dutiful reporting from the media. Any attempts to turn this into the Bain-style narrative it deserved and still deserves to be has always been blunted by the media. This is the shadiest land deal involving a politician in my lifetime, and Obama got away with it legally and politically.
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3. Courtney Dupree: Democratic fundraiser convicted of bank fraud.  
Daily News:
Dupree, who attended the elite Wharton School of Business, was a rainmaker in Democratic circles.
In 2008, Dupree hosted a $1,000-a-ticket fund-raiser for Barack Obama at his Broad St. apartment that was attended by top aide Valerie Jarrett.
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4. Willie Shepherd: Obama bundler plead guilty to assault.
Denver Post:
On Tuesday, Shepherd was sentenced to 12 months of supervised probation, according to state court documents.
Shepherd, the former finance co-chairman of the Democratic National Convention host committee, was originally charged with negligent child abuse and third-degree assault that knowingly caused injury - a class one misdemeanor. Those charges were dismissed and Shepherd pleaded guilty to the class two misdemeanor.
Denver Post:
Shepherd, 44, the former finance co-chairman of the Democratic National Convention host committee and $100,000-plus bundler for Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign, pleaded not guilty to the charges last month at a Denver court hearing.
Denver police on Sept. 13 were called to Shepherd's house by his wife, Sarah Trainor-Shepherd, who said she had been the victim of domestic violence, according to the arrest affidavit.

The court document says police officers noticed a red mark on her brow and bruises on her face and arm, but Trainor-Shepherd then told police she did not want to press charges.
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5. John Corzine: Top Obama fundraiser currently under FBI investigation. Obama's "Wall Street guy."
MSNBC:
Jon Corzine, now the center of an FBI investigation into the handling of hundreds of millions of dollars invested in his securities firm, was one of the leading Wall Street fundraisers for President Obama's campaign and suggested to investors that he might take a top administration post if the president were re-elected.
His new legal troubles, sparked by the bankruptcy filing of his investment firm, MF Global, could complicate the president's efforts to raise money from the financial community given Corzine's central role in those efforts.
A recent list of top "bundlers" or elite fundraisers released by Obama's campaign listed Corzine in the highest category - reporting that he had raised more than $500,000 for the campaign. A substantial chunk of those funds were collected at a $35,800 per ticket fundraiser that Corzine hosted at his wife's spacious Fifth Avenue apartment last April - an event that was touted at the time as part of a concerted effort by the president's campaign team to reach out to well-heeled Wall Street donors who had been alienated by some of his policies and previous public comments. 
Star Ledger:
In a sign of his emerging role as a financial guru for Barack Obama, Gov. Jon Corzine Sunday unveiled the latest piece of the presidential candidate's plan to curb soaring oil prices.
The governor touted an Obama proposal that marked the latest clash between the Democrat and Republican opponent John McCain over energy policy, as voters rank the economy as their biggest concern heading into the November election.
In his plan, Obama calls for more regulation in oil markets by promising to close the so-called "Enron loophole" that exempts some energy trading from federal oversight. The rollout also provided a showcase for Corzine, the former Goldman Sachs CEO whom Obama referred to as "our Wall Street guy" at a meeting of Democratic governors in Chicago on Friday.
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6. Shervin Neman: Obama bundler currently under investigation for fraud.
Politico:
The Obama campaign will return the donations of an accused Ponzi schemer who is facing an SEC investigation, a campaign official confirms.
"With 1.8 million donors thus far, we constantly review those contributions for issues. In this particular case, we will be refunding the contributions and have placed the funds in escrow until a trusteeship or other appropriate place to return these funds is established given the interests of the investors," a campaign official told POLITICO.
Shervin Neman, a hedge fund manager in Los Angeles, stands accused by the SEC of defrauding members of his California Persian-Jewish community, the conservative Washington Free Beacon reports.
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7. Abake Assongba: Obama bundler under investigation for fraud.
Washington Post:
New Yorker Abake Assongba has pledged to help President Obama win reelection, and as one of his 400 volunteer fundraisers, she has delivered $50,000 to the cause.
But she is also trailed by some controversy, accused in court of defrauding a businessman out of $657,000, impersonating a bank official and dodging creditors.
Assongba disputes the allegations, but the mysteries around her personal life highlight a challenge for Obama's reelection effort and other presidential campaigns. The astronomical cost of running for the White House requires an army of bundlers, many of whom are strangers to the campaign. And as candidates quickly learn, it is no small task to woo - and vet - those citizen fundraisers.
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8. Alberto and Carlos Cardona: Obama bundlers with ties to a Mexican fugitive accused of attempted assassinations.
Politico:
The Obama campaign will return more than $200,000 in campaign donations from the American relatives of a fugitive Mexican businessman and casino owner, a campaign official said Tuesday.
"On the basis of the questions that have been raised, we will return the contributions from these individuals and from any other donors they brought to the campaign," said Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the campaign.
The fugitive, Juan Jose Rojas "Pepe" Cardona, fled drug charges and other legal troubles in Iowa in 1994 and rose to prominence as a wealthy Mexican casino operator. State Department reports have also linked him as a suspect in attempted assassinations of business rivals and illegal political donations in Mexico.
According to a story first reported by The New York Times, Pepe Cardona's American brothers have suddenly emerged as major Democratic donors - raising and contributing up to $300,000 to the Obama campaign alone, mostly from relatives. The donations put one brother, Alberto Rojas Cardona, in the top bracket of Obama campaign volunteer fundraisers, known as bundlers.
According to the Times, another brother, Carlos Cardona, has also been approaching political figures - including a former chairman of the Iowa Democratic Party and a former governor of Iowa - trying to seek a pardon for his brother Pepe Cardona.
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9. Solyndra: First company to receive taxpayer backed loans from Obama. Solyndra's investors are Obama bundlers. The FBI raided Solyndra last September.
Breitbart News:
The Obama Administration loaned over $500 million to Solyndra via an accelerated process; later, of course, Solyndra went bankrupt and had to fire 1,100 employees. Some of Solyndra's biggest stakeholders were major Obama donors - George Kaiser, an Oklahoma billionaire, raised between $50,000 and $100,000 in 2008; Steve Westly, an Obama bundler, was linked with Solyndra; so was Steve Spinner, another Obama fundraiser, who pushed the Administration to greenlight the loan, even while his wife's law firm was legally representing the company.
Bloomberg:
An FBI raid on Solyndra Inc., a solar-panel maker that failed after receiving a $535 million loan guarantee from the U.S. Energy Department, may signal the escalation of a probe into the Obama administration's clean- energy program.
Agents for Energy Department Inspector General Gregory Friedman, who has called the department's clean-energy loan program lacking in "transparency and accountability," joined in the search yesterday at the Fremont, California, headquarters of Solyndra, which filed for bankruptcy protection on Sept. 6.
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10. Bill Ayers: Unrepentant domestic terrorist. Early Obama backer. Fellow board-member of the Woods Foundation. 4th of July pal.
Breitbart News:
As a presidential candidate in 2008, Barack Obama disavowed any connection with former domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, the Weather Underground radical who was one of Obama's early backers and his colleague on the board of the Woods Fund in Chicago. We now have proof that Obama's association with Ayers continued even after Obama had been elected to represent Illinois in the U.S. Senate - in the form of a now-scrubbed blog post placing Obama at the home of Ayers and his wife, fellow radical Bernardine Dohrn, on July 4, 2005.
Dr. Tom Perrin, Assistant Professor of English at Huntingdon College in Montgomery, Alabama, was a graduate student at the University of Chicago at the time, and maintained a blog called "Rambling Thomas." He lived next door to Ayers and Dohrn in Hyde Park. He wrote at 8:44 a.m. on July 6, 2005:
Guess what? I spent the 4th of July evening with star Democrat Barack Obama! Actually, that's a lie. Obama was at a barbecue at the house next door (given by a law professor who is a former member of the Weather Underground) and we saw him over the fence at our barbecue. Well, the others did. It had started raining and he had gone inside be the time I got there. Nevertheless.
Dohrn is a Clinical Associate Professor of Law at Northwestern University, and Chicago did, in fact, record rainfall on the Fourth of July holiday in 2005.
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We all know the media will refuse to vet Obama's sordid past until he's safely out of office. But other than Ayers, every convicted felon and person under investigation listed here was a part of Obama's political life while he was president or running for president.
In the case of domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, he and Obama enjoyed that barbecue together in 2005, when Obama was only a United States Senator.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Well, it looks like Chief of Staff, John F. Kelly doesn't listen to or really care what Steven Aftergood or what the Federation of American Scientists has to say.