http://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/...-intl-scli/index.html

(CNN)Veneto regional council, which is located on Venice's Grand Canal, was flooded for the first time in its history on Tuesday night -- just after it rejected measures to combat climate change.

The historic Italian city has been brought to its knees this week by the worst flooding there in more than 50 years.
And the council chamber in Ferro Fini Palace started to take in water around 10 p.m. local time, as councilors were debating the 2020 regional budget, Democratic Party councilor Andrea Zanoni said in a long Facebook post.

"Ironically, the chamber was flooded two minutes after the majority League, Brothers of Italy, and Forza Italia parties rejected our amendments to tackle climate change," Zanoni, who is deputy chairman of the environment committee, said in the post, which also has photographs of the room under water.
Among the rejected amendments were measures to fund renewable sources, to replace diesel buses with "more efficient and less polluting ones," to scrap polluting stoves and reduce the impact of plastics, he said.

Zanoni went on to accuse Veneto regional president Luca Zaia, who is a member of Matteo Salvini's far-right League Party, of presenting a budget "with no concrete actions to combat climate change."

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

One might ask "what's the big deal? It flooded like that 50 years ago.". The problem is, as I'm told, these floods have only happened 4 times in 800 years. So 200 year events are occurring at 50 years now.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Grab a bucket- we've got a prog hoax to bail out of the conference room LOL

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This article was written in 2015.

This sounds like something they have been dealing with since the 5th century.

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Edited: 11/14/2019 at 11:39 AM by Sniper

It's not just Venice, Adriatic coastal areas are all inundated. Worst flooding in Mrs. Truck's hometown since 1966.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

someone tell rusty they use boats there because its built on water. duh

Fuck dude, really? lol



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I was right.

LOL... dumbass.


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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Edited: 11/15/2019 at 07:04 AM by RustyTruck

was flooded for the first time in its history on Tuesday night -- just after it rejected measures to combat climate change..... If only they had voted the other way they could have avoided the flooding???... The land Venice was built on has been sinking since the last IceAge.... The weight of all those glaciers on northern Europe lifted tilted up the Southern half of the European plate. The IceAge which lasted 100,000 years and weighed down the Northern part of Europe has only been gone 15,000 years and so Southern Europe has been sinking back down toward a geological balance for only 15,000 years and will continue to sink until the entire European plate is in 'balance'....Their flooding comes from geological forces that have been moving for 115,000 YEARS, not from plastics in the oceans...

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climate change was made up by the chinese.....LOL

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Edited: 11/14/2019 at 11:38 AM by stokedpanda

They have been dealing with it since they built the city.
yea all those boats.

You caught that huh?
sharp guy.

They aren't dealing so well with the start of the Anthropocene epoch.
No surprise there. They depended upon relatively stable sea level when they built it.
Stable enough that it's still there,after centuries.

But stable no more, and much worse coming.
Lots of other cities will have trouble coping with it.

Venice's barriers still don't work.
They need to call the Dutch.

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there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Voopa voopa voopa Ding! Noah. Who's that!?! It's God Noah. Riiiight...

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Logic and facts escapes prog commie demoshits!

Fact!

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Stay with me now....

Sea level is rising. If the land you're living on is "sinking", it might be prudent to consider doing everything possible to mitigate that.


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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Liar!

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bear with me now... IF the land your CITY is on is sinking... plastic bans will NOT HELP... spending money on electric buses will not help.. And You don't want to be spending your limited funds on a Global solution that will STILL leave your sinking city under water. Your CITY COUNCIL needs to be spending your money on near term, immediate steps. A Dike like Holland does, Lifting the entire city up 10 feet like Chicago did... There is a FLOOD in the foyer, lets Reduce carbon???

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ah the myopic dimness of nobodyelse. The genius doesn't get that while Venice is f-ed, it is an example of what could come to a coastal or river city near us all. Climate change can be arrested or at the very least slowed.

Ah the illiteracy of Greensleeve, Jumps in at the bottom of a thread and Posts: The genius doesn't get that while Venice is f-ed .......... Green Doesn't grasp the fact that the entire thread is about Veneto regional council, -- just after it rejected measures to combat climate change... Green, Doesn't understand that Venice Passing Carbon restrictions while standing in knee deep water is STUPID and will waste money that they need right now to combat this flooding. That the environmental party condemning Venice for NOT restricting carbon shows a real lack of understanding about the real NEEDS OF THE CITY. VENICE needs an immediate solution, not an internet trolls opinion that we maybe can slow climate change... someday...

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GOP numbskulls like nobodyelse can't see past the lunacy of what Venice has done. The GOP are doing the exact same $hit! Waiting until it all goes south! That's why young people can't stand the GOP. Well that and the smell of old.

can't see past the lunacy of what Venice has done..... What exactly has Venice done??? What lunacy other than your own is evident??? 500 years ago they built a city in a flood zone?? That for 500 years the land has been sinking as a part of natural geological progression??? Do you actually think they have done nothing over the last 500 years until this very second and then in a moment of madness while standing knee deep in water voted to not buy electric buses?? WG.. liken this to New Orleans with a hurricane bearing down on them and all the levees are leaking. The city council meets and the Green party is there yelling that they need to pass a carbon tax. They do not pass a carbon tax but vote to spend the money on immediately building higher levees... Then the greens hit the internets calling what they did 'Lunacy'....

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Um, it didn't flood until after they rejected the climate stuff.



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COLE: Um, it didn't flood until after they rejected the climate stuff.... Yep, Technically correct... But laughably doesn't understand anything. IF, during Hurricane Katrina, at the height of the storm there was a New Orleans city council, and the Green party called for a vote saying, 'Lets buy Electric buses and ban plastics' and the city council decided to do emergency repairs on the levees and pumps instead BECAUSE The electric buses would have taken a year to arrive and evacuees would have died of thirst because they wouldn't have thousands of cases of plastic water bottles available. It would indeed be technically correct to say that the city didn't flood until they voted down the electric buses.

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It was a rain storm, not a cat 3 hurricane.

It flooded again at high tide yesterday.

And you do understand that Venice sits in a lagoon and that lagoon is open to the Adriatic Sea?

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I was right.

You also do realize that on top of it being open to the Adriatic Sea it rained there for two weeks straight?!?!

Furthermore Venice is built on MUD!

It's sinking into that mud...and has been since it was built!

The problems with Venice have NOTHING to do with the climate change hoax....PERIOD!

They need to finish the levy system they started long ago and HAVE NOT FINISHED!

Spending money on the climate change hoax is an extreme waste as that money should have gone to the levy system!

MORONS!



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Edited: 11/18/2019 at 04:23 AM by Fish Killer

COLE: .And you do understand that Venice sits in a lagoon and that lagoon is open to the Adriatic Sea...... Floods have been a part of life in Venice since its founding. In the 5th century, refugees who were fleeing from invaders came to this collection of boggy islands off of the mainland. In order to build, they drove a huge number of heavy wooden piles down into the mud to create a foundation. A CENTURY AGO, St. Mark's Square, the lowest point in Venice, flooded about nine times a year..... AND The European Plate is SINKING in the area where Venice was built. AND Venice was built in Mud, that mud is compressing under the weight of the buildings. AND Ground water was sucked out from under Venice increasing the speed of the land sinking into the sea. AND Waves from cruise ships and motorized boats have quickly eroded the centuries old footings on the buildings. Rain and wind (weather events not climate change) combined with a high tide cause Venice to flood. Yes it flooded again at high tide yesterday, just like it has for CENTURIES when the wind and rain combine with large high tides. Banning Plastic bottles and buying electric buses WILL DO NOTHING toward alleviating Venice's flooding problems.

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WOW.
I'm stupefied
Please read all of that again somebodyelse

think man

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malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

You know when you need an "immediate solution"? When you ignore the problem until you're in immediate danger.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

1 in 5 Americans believes the way nobodyelse does about climate change and he's still trying to lecture! Those individuals are clearly devoid of the ability to reason yet here they are, doing anything they can to rationalize their bizarre belief system.

Green, bizarrely still confusing the weather with climate change.... Rain and wind are weather phenomena NOT CLIMATE CHANGE. When those two things (Rain and wind) combine with a large high tide, Venice floods. I think that one in five Americans may have reading comprehension problems or be illiterate like you are but just have a second grader explain to you the difference between rain, wind and climate change.

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Jesus dude, for hundreds of years it flooded an average of 10 times a year, now it floods 100 times a year. Weather doesn't have anything to do with it.



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I was right.

COLE: It was a rain storm, not a cat 3 hurricane.... Cole: Weather doesn't have anything to do with it..... You two should get together and get your story straight.

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Liar!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

I think Cole made it simple enough that he expects you would understand. Weather is the event, climate is the trend.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Weather is the event, 500 years of sinking into mud is the trend. READ any historical article about Venice and see the trend of it sinking. See the trend of floods whenever the rain, winds and Tides coincide. That you guys are trying to make this into a story about Climate change is Bizarre. It is about modernization as ground water is sucked out from under Venice, as motorized boats and ships wakes wash the footings out from under buildings. It is about 15'000 year old geologic forces. Get your noses out of your political agenda and READ some history about the city. And then tell us HOW banning plastics by the Venice city council will keep Venice from flooding. Then figure out how Venice' buying Electric buses will help keep Venice from flooding.

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My wife is from Friuli-Venezia Giulia. Aqua alta doesn't just effect Venice, and sea level rise will exacerbate the effect. It's not rocket science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acqua_alta



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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Edited: 11/19/2019 at 12:47 PM by RustyTruck

Aqua alta doesn't just effect Venice.... tell us HOW banning plastics by the Venice city council will keep the coasts of Friuli-Venezia Giulia from flooding. AND tell us how Venice' buying Electric buses will help keep Friuli-Venezia Giulia lowlands from flooding. Then explain how Venice refusing to ban plastics and refusing to buy electric buses is 'Lunacy'... look at the geography of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, It's right down the street from Venice at the end of the Adriatic Sea. Any Rain in in three or four countries draining into the Adriatic combined with wind blowing North, up the Adriatic, is going to pile water up (flood) along that whole bottleneck. Again, compare this to New Orleans, New Orleans has Levees, it floods when the levees fail. Venice has NO LEVEES, they are wide open to the Adriatic. Spending money on Electric buses that will be operating in knee deep water is Lunacy. Lunatics BELIEVE that the NO vote actually caused this flooding. They see immediate Cause and effect. The council voted NO, it then flooded, ergo the NO vote cause the flooding... First Spend the money on Building Levees to keep out the Ocean, and only then buy electric buses is the sane move. BUT only sane people can recognize sanity, Lunatics by definition are exempt from sane plans of action.

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http://www.npr.org/2019/11/23/...te-change-is-a-factor

Turns out the failure to address the future coupled with an utter lack of leadership means other countries look to our rival China, does not have oil complained committed to a false narrative attacking science. We are leaving the world behind and the world is leaving us behind. This has been a costly mistake.

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