Hang 10... or as they now say...hit the lip!

2nd Light Forums
Decrease font size
Increase font size
Topic Title: Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....
Topic Summary: But they don’t have an inflated Military budget
Created On: 02/17/2020 02:11 PM
Linear : Threading : Single : Branch
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - villageidiot - 02/17/2020 02:11 PM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - nukeh2o - 02/17/2020 02:38 PM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - tpapablo - 02/17/2020 03:28 PM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - nukeh2o - 02/17/2020 03:55 PM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - cheaterfiveo - 02/17/2020 05:23 PM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - nukeh2o - 02/17/2020 06:06 PM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - Cole - 02/18/2020 03:13 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - Sniper - 02/18/2020 05:14 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - wtf - 02/18/2020 05:24 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - RegularJoe - 02/18/2020 06:58 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - wtf - 02/18/2020 07:19 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - tpapablo - 02/18/2020 07:42 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - wtf - 02/18/2020 08:20 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - tpapablo - 02/18/2020 11:04 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - wtf - 02/18/2020 11:12 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - tpapablo - 02/18/2020 11:32 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - RegularJoe - 02/18/2020 08:46 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - Sniper - 02/18/2020 05:25 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - tpapablo - 02/18/2020 06:54 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - WG - 02/18/2020 06:54 PM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - Fish Killer - 02/19/2020 03:41 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - dingpatch - 02/19/2020 03:56 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - Fish Killer - 02/19/2020 03:58 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - dingpatch - 02/19/2020 04:00 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - Cole - 02/19/2020 04:06 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - tpapablo - 02/19/2020 08:33 AM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - cheaterfiveo - 02/18/2020 01:58 PM  
 Universal health care sure as hell didn't bankrupt Sweden and Denmark....   - SlimyBritches - 02/17/2020 04:53 PM  
Topic Tools Topic Tools
View topic in raw text format. Print this topic.
 02/17/2020 02:11 PM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


villageidiot

Posts: 979
Joined Forum: 09/16/2005

And according to Laura Ingraham, the same "demographics " as the US, code for unproductive minorities,,,,
 02/17/2020 02:38 PM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


nukeh2o

Posts: 3364
Joined Forum: 03/18/2016

Those countries also don't have lying media outlets controlled by big pharma, big medicine, and russian botaganda.
Doubt they are cursed by lush pillbaugh, bleitfart, or hallucinating fat info alex types
Oh: and they're educated and enlightened.....

-------------------------
It's a democratic hoax

Edited: 02/17/2020 at 02:42 PM by nukeh2o
 02/17/2020 03:28 PM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


tpapablo

Posts: 31989
Joined Forum: 07/25/2003

Why go with a system from countries that haven't done anything on the world stage since the Vikings were terrorizing the world? Our system has obviously worked better than theirs.

-------------------------
I :heart; Putin

 02/17/2020 03:55 PM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


nukeh2o

Posts: 3364
Joined Forum: 03/18/2016

Originally posted by: tpapablo

Why go with a system from countries that haven't done anything on the world stage since the Vikings were terrorizing the world? Our system has obviously worked better than theirs.

Indeed, my man.....
jojahstans contributions to the international order are quite a bit greater than the wonderful, enlightened, never conquered countries of Scandinavia, huh pig poop compost mogul?
Like for example: goobers! Billy beer! Pigblo and swishyfish comedy duo! Then theres ........
duuhhh..........



-------------------------
It's a democratic hoax

Edited: 02/17/2020 at 03:56 PM by nukeh2o
 02/17/2020 05:23 PM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


cheaterfiveo

Posts: 4485
Joined Forum: 08/29/2013

Originally posted by: nukeh2o

Those countries also don't have lying media outlets controlled by big pharma, big medicine, and russian botaganda.

Doubt they are cursed by lush pillbaugh, bleitfart, or hallucinating fat info alex types

Oh: and they're educated and enlightened.....


yeah countries with 53 people, its real hard to do

-------------------------
Fishing is my Super power; what is yours?
Haulin' Bass Stick Marsh Fishing Guide

 02/17/2020 06:06 PM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


nukeh2o

Posts: 3364
Joined Forum: 03/18/2016

Originally posted by: cheaterfiveo

Originally posted by: nukeh2o



Those countries also don't have lying media outlets controlled by big pharma, big medicine, and russian botaganda.
Doubt they are cursed by lush pillbaugh, bleitfart, or hallucinating fat info alex types
Oh: and they're educated and enlightened.....


yeah countries with 53 people, its real hard to do


or a pasture with 53 sheep.... that one's a winkin at you sheepshit! shaawiinngg! mmmbaaahhhaaaahhh.........


-------------------------
It's a democratic hoax
 02/18/2020 03:13 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


Cole

Posts: 44149
Joined Forum: 07/22/2003

Why are Republicans so dead set at paying more for healthcare? Not only that, why they are dead set at wanting everyone to pay more for healthcare?

 02/18/2020 05:14 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


Sniper

Posts: 6236
Joined Forum: 09/24/2003

I'm not sure anyone is dead set on everyone paying more for healthcare. It comes down to whether or not we want the government in charge of managing our healthcare and being able to decide who gets treated.

How many people do you hear raving about the service they receive at VA clinics around the country?

If you are looking for customer service and efficiency, are you going to ship something using FedEx, UPS, or the USPS?

Look at the advancements SpaceX and others have made in our space program in the short time they have been involved.

If you want the healthcare industry to be agile and innovative then keep it private and encourage competition. What good is cheaper care if the care is shit?
 02/18/2020 05:24 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


wtf

Posts: 4169
Joined Forum: 11/23/2005

Originally posted by: Sniper

I'm not sure anyone is dead set on everyone paying more for healthcare. It comes down to whether or not we want the government in charge of managing our healthcare and being able to decide who gets treated.

So you are perfectly okay with the big insurance companies doing that? Because that's what is going on.

Your doctor can only do that which is dictated by insurance companies, that's fucked.


-------------------------
trump - putting the 'con' in conservative
 02/18/2020 06:58 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


RegularJoe

Posts: 3679
Joined Forum: 11/20/2011

Originally posted by: wtf
Your doctor can only do that which is dictated by insurance companies, that's fucked.


Not entirely true. You can also pay for yourself, and often get a discounted rate.

If you're not paying $12K/year in premiums and $7K in deductibles, you can save up a lot of money for when you need it.
 02/18/2020 07:19 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


wtf

Posts: 4169
Joined Forum: 11/23/2005

Originally posted by: RegularJoe

Originally posted by: wtf

Your doctor can only do that which is dictated by insurance companies, that's fucked.




Not entirely true. You can also pay for yourself, and often get a discounted rate.



If you're not paying $12K/year in premiums and $7K in deductibles, you can save up a lot of money for when you need it.

What I said is entirely true. Doctors have to clear with insurance companies recommended tests/procedures. Doctors themselves are saying this - and they hate it. It's one reason why we have a decline in general healthcare Dr's.

I found out it is $200 cheaper for me to pay for an MRI out of pocket than it is through my insurance. Beachside Imaging.

I am paying over 12k/year with 5k in deductibles. That's fucked.



-------------------------
trump - putting the 'con' in conservative
 02/18/2020 07:42 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


tpapablo

Posts: 31989
Joined Forum: 07/25/2003

Cancel your insurance, dumbass. Then you won't be getting f'd. Don't know you progs even survive. C

-------------------------
I :heart; Putin

 02/18/2020 08:20 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


wtf

Posts: 4169
Joined Forum: 11/23/2005

Originally posted by: tpapablo

Cancel your insurance, dumbass. Then you won't be getting f'd. Don't know you progs even survive. C

Yeah, that's smart w/3 kids. Another dotard answer...


-------------------------
trump - putting the 'con' in conservative
 02/18/2020 11:04 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


tpapablo

Posts: 31989
Joined Forum: 07/25/2003

Originally posted by: wtf
Originally posted by: tpapablo Cancel your insurance, dumbass. Then you won't be getting f'd. Don't know you progs even survive. C
Yeah, that's smart w/3 kids. Another dotard answer...
Well, if it is smart to have health insurance, what are you complaining about? Jeez, you millennials just like to complain. Get your act together and act like a man, son.

-------------------------
I :heart; Putin

 02/18/2020 11:12 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


wtf

Posts: 4169
Joined Forum: 11/23/2005

Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: wtf

Originally posted by: tpapablo



Cancel your insurance, dumbass. Then you won't be getting f'd. Don't know you progs even survive. C


Yeah, that's smart w/3 kids. Another dotard answer...



Well, if it is smart to have health insurance, what are you complaining about? Jeez, you millennials just like to complain. Get your act together and act like a man, son.

Thanks for the compliment but not that young.

12k with a 5k deductible is highway robbery. And btw, I do better than most. Tired of being robbed by these politicians you dotards continue to support.


-------------------------
trump - putting the 'con' in conservative
 02/18/2020 11:32 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


tpapablo

Posts: 31989
Joined Forum: 07/25/2003

Glad to hear that you are doing well. No one wants to pay $12 - 17k if they can avoid it. What does a 50% tax rate do you though? If you are doing well, that extra tax payment will be more than $17k.

-------------------------
I :heart; Putin

 02/18/2020 08:46 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


RegularJoe

Posts: 3679
Joined Forum: 11/20/2011

Originally posted by: wtf

What I said is entirely true. Doctors have to clear with insurance companies recommended tests/procedures. Doctors themselves are saying this - and they hate it. It's one reason why we have a decline in general healthcare Dr's.


No, that makes your statement partially true, not entirely true. I deal with a couple doctors who operate either partially or entirely outside the insurance system. The level of obstructionist involvement also depends on insurance company. Blue Cross / Blue Shield notoriously bad about that.

Yes, a lot of this stuff is f'ed royally. I'll try to elaborate after work.

But a complete government takeover that bans private insurance or similar care outside the system is not a workable answer.

Edited: 02/18/2020 at 09:28 AM by RegularJoe
 02/18/2020 05:25 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


Sniper

Posts: 6236
Joined Forum: 09/24/2003

Also, Denmark and Sweden have a much flatter tax code. In Denmark, you are basically taxed 60% on anything over $60,000. Good luck getting the middle class to sign up for that.
 02/18/2020 06:54 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


tpapablo

Posts: 31989
Joined Forum: 07/25/2003

Originally posted by: Sniper Also, Denmark and Sweden have a much flatter tax code. In Denmark, you are basically taxed 60% on anything over $60,000. Good luck getting the middle class to sign up for that.
Good luck with people becoming middle class with a 60% tax rate. They'll be poor, but at least they will have crappy health care. The rich will, of course, be able to stay rich (probably richer as they won't have to pay for their employees' healthcare). They will get the good healthcare that most of us get now.

-------------------------
I :heart; Putin

 02/18/2020 06:54 PM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


WG

Posts: 35833
Joined Forum: 03/10/2005

Originally posted by: Sniper

I'm not sure anyone is dead set on everyone paying more for healthcare. It comes down to whether or not we want the government in charge of managing our healthcare and being able to decide who gets treated.



How many people do you hear raving about the service they receive at VA clinics around the country?

----- At least one.


If you are looking for customer service and efficiency, are you going to ship something using FedEx, UPS, or the USPS?

--- USPS is competitive, often cheaper

Look at the advancements SpaceX and others have made in our space program in the short time they have been involved.

-- a perfect example of how smart government spending can spur industry

If you want the healthcare industry to be agile and innovative then keep it private and encourage competition.

-- wrong, there is little competition now, little choice.

What good is cheaper care if the care is shit?


-- it will be the same damn doctor and nurses, why would the fact that their paycheck comes from one place or another mean they suddenly turn to shit people?
you think they will miss being dictated to by insurgence bureaucrats?
Your arguments are weak.

-------------------------
"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end,
there it is."
Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 02/18/2020 at 06:55 PM by WG
 02/19/2020 03:41 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


Fish Killer

Posts: 45635
Joined Forum: 10/09/2005

Originally posted by: WG

1) -- it will be the same damn doctor and nurses,


2) why would the fact that their paycheck comes from one place or another mean they suddenly turn to shit people?



1) No...in fact it wont!

2) Only the worst ones will stay as they figure that any paycheck is better than no paycheck! The best ones will leave! There will be no more competition for 'who is the best'...or most innovative.... as the best get paid THE MOST (now)! That wont happen with your bullshit government healthcare system.

-------------------------
 02/19/2020 03:56 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


dingpatch

Posts: 14921
Joined Forum: 07/24/2003

But, then again, , , , , Denmark and Sweden are not known to "defend the world"??!!

I'm not too excited about being the World's Police, and would rather have it any other way but, what are we to do? Let the Taliban have Afghanistan. Let who-ever rape and pillage in Yemen? Let the BooBoo's kill off all the MooMoos in Nigeria?, etc. If we don't do it, who will? And, if nothing else we must STOP being the World's "Corporate Defenders".

Reduce our military presence around the world and make it very clear that if ANYBODY F's with us will kill them to a man and drive their wives and children before us. I DO NOT believe that "Collateral Damage" is a valid concern.
 02/19/2020 03:58 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


Fish Killer

Posts: 45635
Joined Forum: 10/09/2005

Originally posted by: dingpatch
I DO NOT believe that "Collateral Damage" is a valid concern.


The Geneva Convention does....



-------------------------
 02/19/2020 04:00 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


dingpatch

Posts: 14921
Joined Forum: 07/24/2003

I don't. I'm with Conan the Barbarian on this one.
 02/19/2020 04:06 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


Cole

Posts: 44149
Joined Forum: 07/22/2003

We controlled a large swath of Syria with 38 soldiers; far less violence, people living a regular life, no Russians and no Syrian government troops. Now it is fucking chaos and we have no say in the matter. We get the last say throughout a large part of the world because we hold control through soft power. How Trump and his voters don't see this as a positive for all involved is beyond me??

Edited: 02/19/2020 at 04:07 AM by Cole
 02/19/2020 08:33 AM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


tpapablo

Posts: 31989
Joined Forum: 07/25/2003

Originally posted by: Cole We controlled a large swath of Syria with 38 soldiers; far less violence, people living a regular life, no Russians and no Syrian government troops. Now it is fucking chaos and we have no say in the matter. We get the last say throughout a large part of the world because we hold control through soft power. How Trump and his voters don't see this as a positive for all involved is beyond me??
Oh that's good. I suppose that you'd like a return to the peace and harmony that Syria was experiencing under Obama?

-------------------------
I :heart; Putin

 02/18/2020 01:58 PM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


cheaterfiveo

Posts: 4485
Joined Forum: 08/29/2013

Originally posted by: nukeh2o

Originally posted by: cheaterfiveo



Originally posted by: nukeh2o







Those countries also don't have lying media outlets controlled by big pharma, big medicine, and russian botaganda.

Doubt they are cursed by lush pillbaugh, bleitfart, or hallucinating fat info alex types

Oh: and they're educated and enlightened.....




yeah countries with 53 people, its real hard to do




or a pasture with 53 sheep.... that one's a winkin at you sheepshit! shaawiinngg! mmmbaaahhhaaaahhh.........


what script is it that you take from your old lady?

-------------------------
Fishing is my Super power; what is yours?
Haulin' Bass Stick Marsh Fishing Guide

 02/17/2020 04:53 PM
User is offline View Users Profile Print this message


SlimyBritches

Posts: 4380
Joined Forum: 01/08/2016

Statistics
146059 users are registered to the 2nd Light Forums forum.
There are currently 6 users logged in to the forum.

FuseTalk Basic Edition - © 1999-2020 FuseTalk Inc. All rights reserved.

Hey Matt B ... How the hell o are you ??? :)