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OK, every story has two sides, , , ,

On one hand we have the "kids don't get COVID", and otherwise don't really get sick from it argument, , , , ,

On the other hand we have the "kids need school" side that make various claims why children need to be in school for a lot of reasons that have not too much to do with actual class room instruction.

My guess is that the first excuse will result in an absolute Royal Cluster Fuck Cage Match with sick kids and dead parents and extended family members. But, that's just my out-dated, natural, paranoid, "preserve life" thinking.

The second excuse is pretty interesting. Ya, ya, kids really do need to have some "normalcy" in their lives. But, at the same time, they also need to be exposed to, and subsequently understand, that Life Sucks and that the sooner you get over it, the better. In my case, born in 1951, I grew up with a couple different, and profound, disruptions: Cuba and Vietnam. The "Cuban Missile Crisis" was pretty terrifying for us elementary school kids. I grew up here in Brevard right next to Patrick AFB. Khrushchev said that he would bury us. Everybody else said that it could be the "End of the World". The 40+ fighter aircraft that flew into Patrick were pretty exciting but, , ,! The Hawk missile sites put in along the coast pretty much said it all. But, the absolute worst of it was the "Duck and Cover" drills!! Get on the floor, get under your desk, hands over head, and face away from The Cape so that you were not blinded by the nuclear flash. The Vietnam "thing" was another ordeal for us to endure. Going to high school at Satellite was pretty "Space Coast" cool but, having to live through those years with the threat of being drafted and sent into combat in "Nam" was not at all pleasant.

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In addition to some of the arguments you've already mentioned, schools need school.

If public schools stop allowing kids to be kids, including socializing, playing, and learning, then the parents who can afford to take their kids to private options will do so QUICKLY. What do you think that means for public schools? I can see a scenario where public schools end up being pretty much only for the poor. What do you think that does for school funding? Do you think parents are going to be eager to dump a bunch of money into a system that they get nothing from? (I could be wrong here. I don't know how private schools are funded or if they accept any money from the federal government)

I can also see a scenario where groups of families get together to form some kind of small scale school. Basically like homeschool but you have 15-20 kids and their parents pay the teacher.

If either of these scenarios plays out, where do you think the good teachers are going to go? Think they are going to stay in the system that is starving for funding and deteriorating or the one with less red tape, more flexibility, and probably higher paying?

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 07/24/2020 06:34 AM
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Currently, the Brevard schools are looking at essentially 4 options for the kids.

1. BVS - Brevard Virtual School: not tied to a brick an mortar school. 100% from home. Similar to Home Schooling.

2. eLearning - child is tied to a brick and mortar school but attends classes over computer. Keeps school hours and interlaces with teacher virtually.
3. Full time in School
4. Mix of eLearning and In School (maybe 2 days In School/3 days eLearning)

Most parents I know are leaning towards eLearning or the Mix.
A few are going BVS, which is great if your family situation allows it.

The State Gov screwed this up with the mandate.

Talked to school administrators earlier this week and their desire is to let those who want to do BVS do it, and then start the school year with eLearning and transitioning into a Mix and then going back full time when Covid19 resolves. For children who don't have the home support for elearning accommodations would be made.



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To me, it seems like the people who like the idea of a large public school program with the majority of children in the country going to public schools should be pushing to get kids back to school, as it was pre-Covid as soon as possible. I don't see how any of the other proposed options do anything good for public schools and their funding. I'm not in love with the idea of paying for private school but I will do it if I feel like that is the best option.

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This was in Brevard county's opening plan:

"Lengthy time away from school and associated interruption of supportive services often results in social isolation, making it difficult for schools to identify and address important learning deficits as well as child and adolescent physical or sexual abuse, substance use, depression, and suicidal ideation. "

Then why the hell do we have summer break? Hey teacher you need to be on the lookout for suicidal ideation.

Dear Lord!

 07/24/2020 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Bamboo

Currently, the Brevard schools are looking at essentially 4 options for the kids.

1. BVS - Brevard Virtual School: not tied to a brick an mortar school. 100% from home. Similar to Home Schooling.

2. eLearning - child is tied to a brick and mortar school but attends classes over computer. Keeps school hours and interlaces with teacher virtually.

3. Full time in School

4. Mix of eLearning and In School (maybe 2 days In School/3 days eLearning)

Most parents I know are leaning towards eLearning or the Mix.

A few are going BVS, which is great if your family situation allows it.

The State Gov screwed this up with the mandate.

Talked to school administrators earlier this week and their desire is to let those who want to do BVS do it, and then start the school year with eLearning and transitioning into a Mix and then going back full time when Covid19 resolves. For children who don't have the home support for elearning accommodations would be made.


That's interesting that you say most of the parents you talk to are leaning towards the mixed approach. It seems like that option still has a lot of potential to expose kids to the virus and still prevents parents from being able to work a normal schedule. I don't see the positive for this one.

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You also have plenty of toxic parents out there who just don't give a shit in general.

What are their kids going to be up to if they are forced to be home part-time or full time?

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That's the other side of the argument. Parents have to get back to work, like it or not and send their kids to school in order to do that. Some do not have a choice. Single parents for example. I am glad my son is still too young for school and don't have to deal with this mess.
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Pressuring parents back to work is a bit part of this whole thing. School doubles as day care for most wage workers.

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The more I think about it, it seems like this is more likely than not the death of the public education system as we know it, regardless of which option you choose.

If you make all the kids stay home then all the money goes to private options when the families who can afford it put their kids in private schools.

If you open the schools up, you still won't be able to let kids play outside and be kids. It will be like a prison but without time in the yard. What happens when one kid in a class tests positive? The entire class stays at home for 14 days? If this method of school sucks worse than what school already did, which it definitely will, then the parents who can afford to put their kids in a private school do it.

Then we will be left with an even more divided country when you have rich schools and poor schools.

Come on vaccine...if we get a vaccine worked out quickly then none of this stuff is an issue. Right now, we don't even know if a vaccine is possible.

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The democraps just assassinated their indoctrination facility!

Cool!

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Nah, if it destroyed the public schools then DeVos and trump would be all about it.

Vaccine in the spring-summer, back to normal Fall 2021.

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Nah, if it destroyed the public schools then DeVos and trump would be all about it.



Vaccine in the spring-summer, back to normal Fall 2021.


Bwahahahahahahahh!

Not happening!

Vaccines are what percent viable?

How's that Flu vaccine working?

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I'm trying to be cautiously/realistically optimistic about the vaccine. The worst thing people can do is to assume that we will definitely have a vaccine soon and not plan for further down the road in the event that a vaccine isn't possible.

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Snipe, I said e-learning or mix.
If the in class situation allows for space and cleanliness then going a couple days a week is very desirable.
If not then e-learning it is until it is safe to return part time of full time.

Parents will be allowed to make changes to learning environment choice as the covid situation changes.

All things considered I think the administrators have been doing good work to provide options and still comply with the stupid state mandate.

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Unfortunately, I think the school administrators, teachers, and faculty of public schools are in a no-win situation. I have no doubt that they are trying to accommodate everyone but I just don't see how that is possible.

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The "child and adolescent physical or sexual abuse, substance use, depression, and suicidal ideation." thing is a real kicker. Sure, sure, probably pretty important BUT, if it really is that big of a BFD, then DCF should be checking on EVERY child at home every week, school or no school. Right? LOL

And, if "food" is really that big of a deal, then the Government should be delivering meals to kids at home every day.

Yesterday, or Wednesday, I listened to somebody talking about this. I think that they said that 70%+- of "abuse" cases are reported by teachers at school!

So, ya, ya, ya, school just may be a pretty important component of "over sight" by the Government.

But, then again, if this was something like Scarlet Fever, , , , what in hell would we be doing to "monitor" all the kids, if not at school?


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Probably doesn't matter much one way or another. Not going to school clearly will set these kids back for a long time, if not for life.They will be at a disadvantage vis a vis their peers who did go to school in most aspects of life. But then again, with the garbage being taught in schools these days, they might be better off.

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Yesterday Trump said "if schools do not reopen the funding should go to parents."
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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: Bamboo



Currently, the Brevard schools are looking at essentially 4 options for the kids.



1. BVS - Brevard Virtual School: not tied to a brick an mortar school. 100% from home. Similar to Home Schooling.



2. eLearning - child is tied to a brick and mortar school but attends classes over computer. Keeps school hours and interlaces with teacher virtually.



3. Full time in School



4. Mix of eLearning and In School (maybe 2 days In School/3 days eLearning)



Most parents I know are leaning towards eLearning or the Mix.



A few are going BVS, which is great if your family situation allows it.



The State Gov screwed this up with the mandate.



Talked to school administrators earlier this week and their desire is to let those who want to do BVS do it, and then start the school year with eLearning and transitioning into a Mix and then going back full time when Covid19 resolves. For children who don't have the home support for elearning accommodations would be made.




That's interesting that you say most of the parents you talk to are leaning towards the mixed approach. It seems like that option still has a lot of potential to expose kids to the virus and still prevents parents from being able to work a normal schedule. I don't see the positive for this one.






Did you even read what he actually wrote?

Or do you think The Covid can come through the 'puter screen?




Most parents are doing E-learning for now - (no thanks to dotards, since parents, teachers and school boards had to fight for it , middle fingers raised)

until they deem it's time to go back.

Tpap is a dotard who knows nothing about which he speaks- it's the same school, same teachers, same tests, same grades. Via computer.

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But now, and in any case, no matter how careful you have been about protecting your family from COVID-19, , , , your children will now, most certainly, bring COVID home to you!!

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Covid isn't the indiscriminate killer that we once feared it was. It just isn't. The people who are at risk are a pretty specific slice of the population, with some pretty specific conditions. The numbers just don't support that sending kids to school is going to result in all of those kids becoming orphans. If the grandparents fall into the at-risk category then it is on the grandparents to take the necessary precautions for themselves. The world doesn't stop because grandma and grandpa enjoy shopping at Publix at peak hours on a Saturday. Older people and at-risk people shouldn't feel like a mask gives them immunity from anything.

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 07/27/2020 06:12 AM
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These experts say the nation needs to shut down again
From CNN's Christina Maxouris

More than 150 prominent medical experts, scientists, teachers, nurses and other experts have signed a letter urging leaders to shut the country down and start over to contain the rampant spread of the virus.

"The best thing for the nation is not to reopen as quickly as possible, it's to save as many lives as possible," they wrote in the letter, which was sent last week to the Trump administration, leading members of Congress and state governors.
Meanwhile, with overwhelmed hospitals and lengthy delays in testing, some local leaders - including Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner and Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti - said a second stay-at-home order might be possible.

The state of the pandemic in the US: More than 1,000 people died every day for four straight days last week due to Covid-19, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

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Originally posted by: Sniper

Covid isn't the indiscriminate killer that we once feared it was. It just isn't. The people who are at risk are a pretty specific slice of the population, with some pretty specific conditions. The numbers just don't support that sending kids to school is going to result in all of those kids becoming orphans. If the grandparents fall into the at-risk category then it is on the grandparents to take the necessary precautions for themselves. The world doesn't stop because grandma and grandpa enjoy shopping at Publix at peak hours on a Saturday. Older people and at-risk people shouldn't feel like a mask gives them immunity from anything.


You still don't understand the purpose of a mask.
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Originally posted by: HAPDigital
You still don't understand the purpose of a mask.


Nope. He is either too brainwashed by the foreign government propaganda or simply lacks the capacity to understand. The more he posts, the more I believe it to be the latter.
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At this point Sniper belongs in the same wackjob dipshit drawer as TWrong and BannedFish. Dude makes no sense..

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LOL Sniper *still* doesn't understand how the masks reduce spread of the virus despite having it explained to him numerous times. He was probably one of those kids that you had to keep telling not to eat the paste and crayons when he was in school. He also thinks dying is the only bad thing this virus is causing. What a dotard.
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And f*ck the kids right? *only* 303 of Florida's kids have been admitted because of this virus.
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I've posted like 8 of these. Pretty much every study you can find that was done prior to 2020 says that the fabric masks aren't doing what you think they are.

You don't seem to understand that if an aerosolized particle the size of this virus is 0.12 microns and is so small that it can remain suspended in the air for long periods of time that it is also small enough to get into and out of your fabric mask the same way the air you breath does.

The flu hits children harder than Covid. Should we just close schools for good?

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This one pretty much says the same thing. Basically, wearing a mask won't hurt anyone but it isn't any kind of silver bullet.

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Originally posted by: Sniper

Covid isn't the indiscriminate killer that we once feared it was. It just isn't. The people who are at risk are a pretty specific slice of the population, with some pretty specific conditions. The numbers just don't support that sending kids to school is going to result in all of those kids becoming orphans. If the grandparents fall into the at-risk category then it is on the grandparents to take the necessary precautions for themselves. The world doesn't stop because grandma and grandpa enjoy shopping at Publix at peak hours on a Saturday. Older people and at-risk people shouldn't feel like a mask gives them immunity from anything.


Except it kills more than just grandma and grandpa. It kills children, teens, young adults, adults, and middle aged people. It also does more than just kill. It puts people in the hospital on oxygen, on ventilators in the ICU, and causes all kinds of lasting illness and long term damage in people that don't 'die'. Every single one of those people on a ventilator and many on oxygen would otherwise be dead without access to that care. What do you think happens if a health care system gets overwhelmed and doctors and nurses are forced to triage?

You don't support masks no matter how much evidence and research points towards the benefit. While at the same time, you want everything open and back to normal. You are a walking talking example of a person that engages in self defeating behavior. Did you get dropped on your head when you were a baby? Honest question.
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Originally posted by: Sniper

Covid isn't the indiscriminate killer that we once feared it was. It just isn't. The people who are at risk are a pretty specific slice of the population, with some pretty specific conditions. The numbers just don't support that sending kids to school is going to result in all of those kids becoming orphans. If the grandparents fall into the at-risk category then it is on the grandparents to take the necessary precautions for themselves. The world doesn't stop because grandma and grandpa enjoy shopping at Publix at peak hours on a Saturday. Older people and at-risk people shouldn't feel like a mask gives them immunity from anything.


Except it kills more than just grandma and grandpa. It kills children, teens, young adults, adults, and middle aged people. It also does more than just kill. It puts people in the hospital on oxygen, on ventilators in the ICU, and causes all kinds of lasting illness and long term damage in people that don't 'die'. Every single one of those people on a ventilator and many on oxygen would otherwise be dead without access to that care. What do you think happens if a health care system gets overwhelmed and doctors and nurses are forced to triage?

You don't support masks no matter how much evidence and research points towards the benefit. While at the same time, you want everything open and back to normal. You are a walking talking example of a person that engages in self defeating behavior. Did you get dropped on your head when you were a baby? Honest question.


A healthy person under 50 years old has little to no chance of dying from this.

I've stated this multiple times but it doesn't seem to be resonating with you, so I'll say it again. I'm fine with masks. Most people aren't wearing masks. If you are going to wear a mask, you should be wearing a surgical mask at a minimum, otherwise, you are probably just giving yourself a false sense of security. The cotton ones have no filtering properties. They are great if you are trying to stave off seasonal allergies but probably not going to do much at all to prevent the spread of an aerosolized virus. Social distancing is your friend and probably the best thing you can do. No need to derail this thread into another mask debate. We get it. You love covering your face with a dirty piece of fabric and it makes you really happy when other people do to. If you choose to wear a maks, good for you. If you choose not to, that's fine too. Just keep your distance from me.

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Originally posted by: Sniper

A healthy person under 50 years old has little to no chance of dying from this.


One thing you fail to realize, is that children who get exposed to COVID can become carriers of the virus.

Even if they are healthy, even if they don't show symptoms, even if they don't get sick, even if they don't get hospitalized, and even IF they don't die, they can still infect someone else; family member, friend, acquaintance, etc.

You say, " little to no chance of dying from this." so please give us a number. How many sick, dead, dying children are enough for you to begin caring about this?

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Originally posted by: Sniper



A healthy person under 50 years old has little to no chance of dying from this.



You say, " little to no chance of dying from this." so please give us a number. How many sick, dead, dying children are enough for you to begin caring about this?


Do some digging around here.

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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: Pagerow



Originally posted by: Sniper







A healthy person under 50 years old has little to no chance of dying from this.





You say, " little to no chance of dying from this." so please give us a number. How many sick, dead, dying children are enough for you to begin caring about this?




Do some digging around here.


What's your point? Everyone of those kids can transmit it to the staff, teachers and their families. Most of those people are in the high death bracket.

Top it off, these are numbers from us trying to mitigate this somewhat. What would it be like if they go back to school? You can't say. But we know kids will die for sure and we know you are good with that, you creep.

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(CNN) A 9-year-old girl with no known underlying health conditions is the youngest person to die from coronavirus complications in Florida, officials said.

Kimora "Kimmie" Lynum died on July 18 in Putnam County, according to Florida Department of Health records. It confirmed her identity and said she's the state's youngest coronavirus fatality.


She had no pre-existing health issues and her mother took her to the hospital due to a high fever, said family spokesman Dejeon Cain. The hospital sent her home and she collapsed a short time later, Cain said.

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(CNN) A 9-year-old girl with no known underlying health conditions is the youngest person to die from coronavirus complications in Florida, officials said.



Kimora "Kimmie" Lynum died on July 18 in Putnam County, according to Florida Department of Health records. It confirmed her identity and said she's the state's youngest coronavirus fatality.





She had no pre-existing health issues and her mother took her to the hospital due to a high fever, said family spokesman Dejeon Cain. The hospital sent her home and she collapsed a short time later, Cain said.


Sniper is cool with it. It's for the economy.
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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: Pagerow

Originally posted by: Sniper

A healthy person under 50 years old has little to no chance of dying from this.


You say, " little to no chance of dying from this." so please give us a number. How many sick, dead, dying children are enough for you to begin caring about this?


Do some digging around here.


I don't want a link to some website.
What is YOUR number? How many dead children are you ok with after the schools open?
How many parents?
How many grandparents?
How many teachers?

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Oh, and, , , , , in the "Big Scheme Of Things" close to 20% of Americans have some sort of Comorbidity and, as such, is Excess Population according to the You Know Who!

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Originally posted by: Pagerow

Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: Pagerow

Originally posted by: Sniper

A healthy person under 50 years old has little to no chance of dying from this.


You say, " little to no chance of dying from this." so please give us a number. How many sick, dead, dying children are enough for you to begin caring about this?


Do some digging around here.


I don't want a link to some website.
What is YOUR number? How many dead children are you ok with after the schools open?
How many parents?
How many grandparents?
How many teachers?


Settle down. Nobody is going to give you an Oscar. As I said earlier, the flu kills many more young people each year, so using your logic we should just go ahead and close the doors of all the public schools.

And if I am old or have a pre-existing condition, I'm not going to be hanging out with kids. I'm not going to wait for the government to tell me I shouldn't do it. If you are old and/or have pre-existing conditions do you have the right to basically go about life as usual? Sure. Should you do that? Probably not. Just like I have the right to drive through Forest Park in Detroit at 1:30am in a convertible, playing Dave Matthews Band as loud as I can but it probably isn't the best idea.

"The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children. Children appear to be at lower risk for contracting COVID-19 compared to adults. To put this in perspective, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), as of July 17, 2020, the United States reported that children and adolescents under 18 years old account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths.[5]https:// Although relatively rare, flu-related deaths in children occur every year. From 2004-2005 to 2018-2019, flu-related deaths in children reported to CDC during regular flu seasons ranged from 37 to 187 deaths. During the H1N1pandemic (April 15, 2009 to October 2, 2010), 358 pediatric deaths were reported to CDC. So far in this pandemic, deaths of children are less than in each of the last five flu seasons, with only 64.† Additionally, some children with certain underlying medical conditions, however, are at increased risk of severe illness from COVID-19.*---- - The CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...reopening-schools.html


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Ugh

A Dotard dissertation..

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Originally posted by: fishkller

Ugh

A Dotard dissertation..


No shit...

Some Derp-derp who freaks out on others telling me to "settle down" and "tHe FLu KiLlS mAnY MoRe YoUnG pEoPlE eAcH yEaR"

Thanks, Derp-er we all thought you didn't care that children die, no matter what the cause, but it's good to know you are finally admitting it.

For all the other dotards, the correct answer is ZERO. Thanks for playing.

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He's still under the impression that covid is less deadly than the flu. Meanwhile the virus is ripping the population to shreds, like no virus before.
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FYI, snipper, child hospitalization in FL just rose 23% today.

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Originally posted by: Pagerow

Originally posted by: fishkller

Ugh

A Dotard dissertation..


No shit...

Some Derp-derp who freaks out on others telling me to "settle down" and "tHe FLu KiLlS mAnY MoRe YoUnG pEoPlE eAcH yEaR"

Thanks, Derp-er we all thought you didn't care that children die, no matter what the cause, but it's good to know you are finally admitting it.

For all the other dotards, the correct answer is ZERO. Thanks for playing.


The CDC doesn't really seem to agree with you.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...reopening-schools.html

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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: Pagerow



Originally posted by: fishkller



Ugh



A Dotard dissertation..




No shit...



Some Derp-derp who freaks out on others telling me to "settle down" and "tHe FLu KiLlS mAnY MoRe YoUnG pEoPlE eAcH yEaR"



Thanks, Derp-er we all thought you didn't care that children die, no matter what the cause, but it's good to know you are finally admitting it.



For all the other dotards, the correct answer is ZERO. Thanks for playing.




The CDC doesn't really seem to agree with you.



https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...reopening-schools.html


Why isn't Trump sending his little boy back to school in the fall?
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Originally posted by: Pagerow

Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: Pagerow

Originally posted by: Sniper

A healthy person under 50 years old has little to no chance of dying from this.


You say, " little to no chance of dying from this." so please give us a number. How many sick, dead, dying children are enough for you to begin caring about this?


Do some digging around here.


I don't want a link to some website.
What is YOUR number? How many dead children are you ok with after the schools open?
How many parents?
How many grandparents?
How many teachers?


Why would the CDC be encouraging schools to open if they thought we were going to have to turn the playground into a mass grave.

"The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children. Children appear to be at lower risk for contracting COVID-19 compared to adults. To put this in perspective, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), as of July 17, 2020, the United States reported that children and adolescents under 18 years old account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths. Although relatively rare, flu-related deaths in children occur every year. From 2004-2005 to 2018-2019, flu-related deaths in children reported to CDC during regular flu seasons ranged from 37 to 187 deaths. During the H1N1pandemic (April 15, 2009 to October 2, 2010), 358 pediatric deaths were reported to CDC. So far in this pandemic, deaths of children are less than in each of the last five flu seasons, with only 64.† Additionally, some children with certain underlying medical conditions, however, are at increased risk of severe illness from COVID-19.---- - The CDC

Do you think the CDC just wants to murder kids, parents, and teachers by encouraging them to go back to school?

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Snipper still can't answer a simple question.

He and the other dotards will kill you; they don't care about you or your children.

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Snipper still can't answer a simple question.

He and the other dotards will kill you; they don't care about you or your children.


It's a shit question because children currenlty only make up 0.1% of the coronavirus deaths and nothing says that if kids don't go back to school that children will not be around parents, teachers, and grandparents anyway.

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It's a shit question because children currenlty only make up 0.1% of the coronavirus deaths and nothing says that if kids don't go back to school that children will not be around parents, teachers, and grandparents anyway.


So in short, killing children is acceptable to you.

Do you lack the capacity for logic and critical thinking? That last part sure seems to support that this is the case.

Of course children will be around parents if they are not in school, duh. They may or may not be around grandparents dependent upon the responsibility level of the parents and their individual situations. What they will absolutely not be around are dozens of other children in enclosed spaces 5 days a week.

I would not let my children around my parents period though if they are forced to attend school in person because I would not want to my elderly parents to die or have my children live with the guilt of making them sick.

You dumb, really really dumb Sniper.

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Originally posted by: Sniper

It's a shit question because children currenlty only make up 0.1% of the coronavirus deaths and nothing says that if kids don't go back to school that children will not be around parents, teachers, and grandparents anyway.


So in short, killing children is acceptable to you.

Do you lack the capacity for logic and critical thinking? That last part sure seems to support that this is the case.

Of course children will be around parents if they are not in school, duh. They may or may not be around grandparents dependent upon the responsibility level of the parents and their individual situations. What they will absolutely not be around are dozens of other children in enclosed spaces 5 days a week.

I would not let my children around my parents period though if they are forced to attend school in person because I would not want to my elderly parents to die or have my children live with the guilt of making them sick.

You dumb, really really dumb Sniper.


Cars kill children. Are you ready to do away with cars?

I have no idea how old, or young, of a person you are, so I'm making some assumptions but if you keep your parents away from any kids you may have, then based on the numbers and the data, is your family really at high risk? The CDC says, "No".

I know you are demanding that someone be able to guarantee that no one is going to die from this thing before you are ready to send your kids back to school and that is your choice. I doubt you will ever get that guarantee.

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If a kid in a car could spread fatal car crashes to their families, the other kids at school, the teachers, the support staff, and the families of the other kids I would most certainly be against cars until we could figure out a way to vaccinate against the viral spread of fatal car crashes. Duh
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"real doctors". Ask those doctors' opinions on the effectiveness of demon splooge on covid.
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"real doctors". Ask those doctors' opinions on the effectiveness of demon splooge on covid.


That doctor has been in business for 35 years.

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The American Federation of Teachers warned that at least some of its 1.7 million members could strike if they are forced to return to unsafe classrooms in the new school year. In a speech at the union's online convention, AFT President Randi Weingarten blasted Trump administration officials pushing for schools to reopen. She called the federal government's coronavirus response "chaotic and catastrophic" and threatened mass walkouts as a "last resort."

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The American Federation of Teachers warned that at least some of its 1.7 million members could strike if they are forced to return to unsafe classrooms in the new school year. In a speech at the union's online convention, AFT President Randi Weingarten blasted Trump administration officials pushing for schools to reopen. She called the federal government's coronavirus response "chaotic and catastrophic" and threatened mass walkouts as a "last resort."


They already have...fool!



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Watch out guys it's the bullshit brigade. "All bullshit all day!" Brought to you by Wrongz the Clown, Attorney at Wrongz.
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Um, children were removed from the picture before the virus settled in. We really have no clue as to how they will react when exposed to high levels of the virus.



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Um, children were removed from the picture before the virus settled in. We really have no clue as to how they will react when exposed to high levels of the virus.


BULLSHIT!

GO READ THE VAST LITERATURE KNOWN AS 'PEER REVIEWED STUDIES...ON HYDROXYCHLORIQUINE'!

YES WE DO HAVE A CLUE...WITH PLENTY OF PROOF!

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Children haven't been exposed at all. The aren't in the work force, they aren't in daycare, they haven't been in school since the virus set in. There is no study because there is now way to rate something that has never happened.

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All of you said the virus is just the flu and would be gone before we noticed it. All of you were 100% wrong, so why in the fuck would we listen to you now?

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Oh and way to get the thread pulled you BIG FAT PUSSY.

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Such a wimp.

WAAHHH, my lawyer!

LOL, loser of the year.

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Children haven't been exposed at all. The aren't in the work force, they aren't in daycare, they haven't been in school since the virus set in. There is no study because there is now way to rate something that has never happened.


They are exposed by their fucking parents (who are exposed to EVERYONE) and everyone else they come into contact with EVERY DAY!

They go to the Grocery store with their parents...Home Depot...Lowe's...they play with neighborhood friends....

ON AN ON AND ON!

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They aren't in the close quarters of poorly ventilated schools. Sending them back is a stupid fucking idea.

Like I said, you Trump people are wrong about anything, so why in the fuck should we listen to you?

It will vanish! Well, it didn't vanish. You were 100% fucking wrong.

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They aren't in the close quarters of poorly ventilated schools.


No they are just in the close quarters of Publix picking up crap that everyone else touched......

Same thing with Home Depot...

Lowes....

all the Restaurants they have been in wit their parents....

Kids touch EVERYTHING!

ASSHOLE!

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The Brevard County School Board says that masks will be required in class rooms.

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In addition to some of the arguments you've already mentioned, schools need school.



If public schools stop allowing kids to be kids, including socializing, playing, and learning, then the parents who can afford to take their kids to private options will do so QUICKLY. What do you think that means for public schools? I can see a scenario where public schools end up being pretty much only for the poor. What do you think that does for school funding? Do you think parents are going to be eager to dump a bunch of money into a system that they get nothing from? (I could be wrong here. I don't know how private schools are funded or if they accept any money from the federal government)



I can also see a scenario where groups of families get together to form some kind of small scale school. Basically like homeschool but you have 15-20 kids and their parents pay the teacher.



If either of these scenarios plays out, where do you think the good teachers are going to go? Think they are going to stay in the system that is starving for funding and deteriorating or the one with less red tape, more flexibility, and probably higher paying?


This has been the talk in the small group of parents I know.

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First there was Air Jordan .