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Created On: 11/25/2020 11:13 AM
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 I beg your pardon?   - RustyTruck - 11/25/2020 11:13 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - tpapablo - 11/25/2020 11:28 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - RustyTruck - 11/25/2020 11:31 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - Pagerow - 11/25/2020 12:15 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - dingpatch - 11/25/2020 01:36 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - fishkller - 11/25/2020 01:55 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - Cole - 11/25/2020 03:13 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - StirfryMcflurry - 11/25/2020 02:21 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - Greensleeves - 11/25/2020 11:48 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - fishkller - 11/25/2020 01:53 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - wtf - 11/25/2020 03:16 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - Bamboo - 11/25/2020 04:02 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - RustyTruck - 11/25/2020 04:20 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - Greensleeves - 11/25/2020 09:48 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - jdbman - 11/26/2020 02:54 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - jdbman - 11/26/2020 04:13 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - RustyTruck - 11/26/2020 05:48 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - StirfryMcflurry - 11/26/2020 07:14 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - SlimyBritches - 11/26/2020 06:39 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - johnnyboy - 11/26/2020 07:12 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - Cole - 11/26/2020 07:49 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - johnnyboy - 11/26/2020 09:06 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - Pagerow - 11/30/2020 08:14 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - johnnyboy - 12/01/2020 07:58 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - dingpatch - 12/02/2020 04:25 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - Pagerow - 12/03/2020 09:34 AM  
 I beg your pardon?   - johnnyboy - 12/03/2020 01:18 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - fishkller - 12/03/2020 08:27 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - 3rdworldlover - 12/03/2020 08:44 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - fishkller - 12/03/2020 09:14 PM  
 I beg your pardon?   - johnnyboy - 12/04/2020 07:57 AM  
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 11/25/2020 11:13 AM
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RustyTruck

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PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) - Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz said President Donald Trump should pardon himself and others in his administration before leaving office to prevent the "radical left" from prosecuting them.

"President Trump should pardon Michael Flynn," Gaetz said. "He should pardon the Thanksgiving turkey. He should pardon everyone from himself to his administration officials to Joe Exotic if he has to."


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 11/25/2020 11:28 AM
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He should do just that. The deranged progs have been calling for him to be jailed despite not even a hint of lawbreaking. Clearly, they would be more than happy to put him in jail despite no crime being commmitted. He should short circuit that type of illegal and unconstitutional threat.

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 11/25/2020 11:31 AM
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RustyTruck

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He should, that would be hilarious. Icing on the cake of presidential misconduct.

Now I'll leave the lawyering to you, but I was under the layman's impression that a pardon involves some admission of guilt or wrongdoing, no? Burdick?



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 11/25/2020 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

He should, that would be hilarious. Icing on the cake of presidential misconduct.

Now I'll leave the lawyering to you, but I was under the layman's impression that a pardon involves some admission of guilt or wrongdoing, no? Burdick?


Yes, it does. You can't be pardoned for NOT doing a crime.

But I guess tRump is unaware that he cannot pardon himself.

Maybe Qrump is afraid of Federal charges against him...?
 11/25/2020 01:36 PM
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dingpatch

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He just pardoned Flynn.
 11/25/2020 01:55 PM
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fishkller

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Originally posted by: dingpatch

He just pardoned Flynn.




Flynn needed it- he's guilty as hell and has the Kraken for a "lawyer"


dude is lucky he admitted his guilt and accepted the handout

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 11/25/2020 03:13 PM
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Lionel Hutz

Another A+++

There is no protection from state prosecution.

 11/25/2020 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck He should, that would be hilarious. Icing on the cake of presidential misconduct.
who's next? great album, BTW.

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 11/25/2020 11:48 AM
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Greensleeves

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Asking qspank a legal opinion?

Better lawyers:

Chris Darden
Qudy Qiuliani
Lionel Hutz
Lawyer Milloy





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Will he pardon the Corona Virus?

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 11/25/2020 03:16 PM
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wtf

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Hey lawyers what is your take here:

Fun fact; now he's been pardoned, Mike Flynn loses all protection against compelled testimony under the 5th Amendment, so he can be subpoenaed anytime by the House and if he lies, he goes to jail.

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 11/25/2020 04:20 PM
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RustyTruck

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Dicks out for Harambe

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 11/25/2020 09:48 PM
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Greensleeves

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Affluenza kid!

Paris Hilton? She's never done anything wrong, oh momma!

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 11/26/2020 02:54 AM
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"Michael Flynn was a paid foreign asset of the Turkish government after he was appointed National Security Advisor. This would be akin to Jake Sullivan currently being on the take from the Iranians.

It is a scandal without modern precedent. Trump and the GOP own it."






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And by the way, tRump said if he lost the election he will leave the country, So, when is tRump going to leave the country????

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 11/26/2020 05:48 AM
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RustyTruck

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They should take his passport, he's a flight risk.

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 11/26/2020 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck They should take his passport, he's a flight risk.
Doesn't need one. He's got a tunnel to Moscow.

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 11/26/2020 06:39 AM
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Doesn't matter what the Loser in Chief does federally. New York is gonna throw the whole cabal in the hoosegow. An October Surprise, so it has been written.

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/11...gion/trump-taxes.html

http://www.politico.com/news/2...ctober-surprise-393177

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 11/26/2020 07:12 AM
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There will LOTS of pardons coming. Gaetz, in between his asskissing and worse, is being used to float this action to get the base used to it and agree with it. They are using Gaetz to politicize the pardons and use it to state loudly and often that these pardons are necessities to avoid the future prosecutions. Those are labeled witch hunts and the pardons are being rationalized by the the previous "witch hunts" that found nothing. The laying of the ground work must come from outside trump and back the appearance of a good idea that he really thinks about, tries to avoid and ultimately decides to do because the demon democrats are likely to "lock them up."

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 11/26/2020 07:49 AM
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Cole

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He could replace God with Satan and they would agree.

This group shits on the Constitution. Law and order president. Give me a fucking break.
 11/26/2020 09:06 AM
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Trump should be forced to identify the specific crimes he making pardons for. That would make his pardons for his family interesting.

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 11/30/2020 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

Trump should be forced to identify the specific crimes he making pardons for. That would make his pardons for his family interesting.


It also means they are admitting guilt to whatever crime they are being pardoned for.
 12/01/2020 07:58 AM
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From today's Politico article:

>> Trump's pardon absolves Flynn of "any and all possible offenses" arising from Mueller's investigation, as well as any related grand jury proceedings. The clemency grant uses sweeping language, immunizing Flynn from charges based on "facts and circumstances, known to, identified by, or in any manner related to the investigation of the Special Counsel."

Some legal experts described Trump's move as perhaps the broadest act of clemency since President Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon in 1974.

"Pardons are typically directed at specific convictions or at a minimum at specific charges," said Margy Love, former pardon attorney for Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, who now leads the Collateral Consequences Resource Center. "I can think of only one other pardon as broad as this one, extending as it does to conduct that has not yet been charged, and that is the one that President Ford granted to Richard Nixon."<<

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 12/02/2020 04:25 PM
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Trump "could" perhaps pre-pardon himself. So what? Presidential Pardons are only good for FEDERAL cases, not State or Local.
 12/03/2020 09:34 AM
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"People in the White House seem to be getting much more polite.
You can hear people saying, 'Pardon me' a lot"

--from twitter
 12/03/2020 01:18 PM
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I beg your pardon, I never promised you a rose garden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...KNbI&feature=emb_logo



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 12/03/2020 08:27 PM
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Ironically, Biden actually *wants* Trump to pardon himself.

It gets him out of the awkward situation of whether he should or should not pardon Trump himself for the good of the country (as Ford did with Nixon)

it's a win-win-win for Biden if Trump pardons himself:

a) those who say 'hell no, don't pardon that crook' are satisfied.

b) those who say 'pardon him to avoid escalating division' are satisfied.

c) Trump is still in an endless world of shit with his many non-federal legal problems.. which is all beyond Biden's control



So go for it Tubby! Accept your guilt and Steaks away...

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Pardoning for the sake of self preservation, definitely a new low, and we were already in the gutter.
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Exactly- I forgot

d) Makes Trump look like an even bigger douchebag, puts all the embarassment on himself

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 12/04/2020 07:57 AM
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The GOP is trying to explain to Trump that pardoning his personal lawyer, children and in laws makes them look criminals. Trump is trying to explain to them that he doesn't care. Everyone is a criminal depending on who's in power and he will be pardoning them anyway.

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