By enacting them and appointing a nutjob to the "AFT" he will have to have poor Hunter arrested for lying on the 4473 ATF form!

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

Why lie in the first place? Isn't that illegal in itself...

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I was right.

Sounds like those AR "pistols" with "arm braces" might become NFA regulated SBR's.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

^^Lawsuits, Same as the bump stock debacle! And why lie on the form, to ILLEGALY purchase a firearm! (felony)

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

What?

Translation please. I don't speak Palm Bay day drinking.



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I was right.

Either do I, but you should be fluent in west cocoa!

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

So far the EOs have been reasonable.
Two of them addressed keeping guns out of the hands of unstable people and community awareness, one requests a report on gun running from the ATF, one addresses homemade ghost guns (but does not prohibit hobbyists from making them), and the last address the rifle/pistol brace issue.

So, four of the five are pretty much harmless. The ghost gun issue isn't really an issue as people making their own are usually hobby machinists who don't intend to sell or transfer their crafts anyway.

The pistol arm braces have been on thin ice since they first became popular several years ago. Everybody knows it is an end run on getting an NFA tax stamp for a short barreled rifle. The ATF has come close several times to issuing a ruling on these but haven't.

here is the EO:
Orders the Justice Department, within 60 days, to issue a proposed rule to make clear that when a device marketed as a stabilizing brace effectively turns a pistol into a short-barreled rifle, that gun will be subject to the requirements of the National Firearms Act.

Personally, I think this is a good thing as was the bump stock ban that Trump did (one of the few good things he did). You can still own a short barreled rifle, or shotgun, but need to get a tax stamp and go through the NFA process which isn't horribly difficult. If you want an SBR go through the damn process. It really ain't that hard.

I like the idea of more rigorous background checks for all buyers, as well as the concept of going through a more rigorous background check to be an owner of the black rifles and high cap mags that were banned (but grandfathered for existing owners at that time) from 1994 through 2004.

My issue is that this is not where it stops.
I know they would like to reinstate the '94 AWB without the sunset clause. That worries me, and if they do I hope they make provisions for responsible owners.






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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV


Edited: 04/10/2021 at 07:39 AM by Bamboo

Bump stocks are still legal and if you remove the brace from the "pistol", it doesn't change the overall length of the gun!

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

Seriously, you need to stay informed. A little knowledge might save you some time in front of a Federal Judge:
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks

But i agree that a Stoner/AR type action with a <16" barrel without an arm brace would indeed just be a pistol. The OAL without the arm brace would probably be a little shorter as most arm braces add some length to the recoil tube. With just a bare recoil tube it is difficult to shoulder, and shooting it like a pistol ain't that much fun, nor accurate. Arm braces were just a way to get around having to get a NFA tax stamp for a SBR.

If you want to shoot pistol ARs, go for it. The ergonomics are horrible for a pistol.
Better off with a real pistol in a heavy caliber.


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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV


Edited: 04/12/2021 at 04:00 AM by Bamboo

You are a moron:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI86T8RghWY

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 04/12/2021 at 04:34 AM by Fish Killer

LOL!
That vid has nothing to do with the topic.
Only giving you this one pity reply.




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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

Yes it does...MORON!

You can use your BELT to 'bump fire' a semi auto rifle OR use your FINGER to 'bump fire' a semi auto pistol!

FOOL!

(I'm only giving you this one pity reply.)



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 04/12/2021 at 04:53 AM by Fish Killer

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Sixth Circuit Says ATF "Bump Stock" Ban Unconstitutional, Sends It Back to Lower Court; ? by Bob Adelmann? March 29, 2021

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Unless the ATF revisits its determination or Congress takes up the issue, bump-fire stocks will remain legal throughout the U.S. under federal law. But several states already restrict their use. California is the only state that explicitly restricts the sale of bump-fire devices, according to Freilich, the LCPGV attorney.

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

Fair enough, that is a very recent turn and isn't the last word.
The ATF hasn't updated their position.

Do what you wish, matters not to me.

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

As usual you are a serious idiot!

"Last Reviewed February 21, 2019"

Moron!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Drankit is suggest that they will sue to stop the ATF from classifying "arm braces" as rifle stocks, but I think he'll discover ATF has a lot of latitude on the subject, and classification as an SRB is not a ban, it just requires compliance with the NFA, like supressors.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

ATF is about to visit a bunch of shit, especially bump stocks and arm braced short barrel ARs.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Drankit doesn't have a bumpstock, and has no way of getting one in spite of the Sixth Circuit

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Moron!

http://www.amazon.com/Submersi...&qid=1618251514&sr=8-1

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

The village idiot of 2nd light tries so hard, but obviously has no idea what a bump stock is. That amazon item is a plain old collapsible stock. Definitely not a bump stock.

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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

The more important thing to look at here is whether or not Biden's proposed executive actions will actually make any kind of meaningful difference or if they are just red meat for the Cole's of the world.

Ban on "ghost-guns". Why not just ban people with felonies from owning 3-D printers. We all know they have them. Just look in their garages. I bet you can go through some of the worst neighborhoods in the country and find 3-D printers capable of printing functional firearms in 3/4 of the houses. Some of the really backwoods criminals are even whittling the guns out of hardwoods in their garage.

Forcing people to register AR pistols as SBRs. The people with money will just pay it. Are you guys ready to follow through on prosecuting ALL the people who refuse to pay for the stamp? Out of the roughly 10,000 gun homicides we see each year, only around 500 of them can be attributed to people shooting rifle rounds.

Background check "loophole" closure. You can't buy a gun online and have it shipped directly to your house. You have to have it shipped to registered firearms dealer, who is already required to run a background check on you before transferring the firearm to you. Maybe you think gun shows are a good place to pick up a firearm without having to fill out any paperwork or have a background check. Well, gun shows are crawling with federal agents, so it might be doable but I don't think anyone is going to recommend it.

The majority of the crime is happening in inner-cities and with handguns. There is no way the Democrats are going to do anything to call this out or shine a spotlight on the areas that are most impacted. They have pretty much all been under Dem control for decades. Instead, he will throw some red meat to his idiots to make them think he is doing something. Meanwhile, nothing he is doing will result any meaningful changes.

Pop the champagne, idiots. Take a victory lap for a few new rules that will only result in more minorities being locked up for illegal weapons but won't do anything to curb the gun violence you are so concerned about. Bravo.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

You don't 3D print a ghost gun



And then they get an in-depth background check if they register, or they risk federal prison. The AR is mass murder weapon of choice. A concealable one is that much more dangerous.

You can buy whatever you want face to face, just look on FL Gun Trader website.



No gun laws are going to impact the primary driver of inner city crime which is poverty. Fundamental economic reform is needed, but neither party is interested in changing the material conditions of the underclass. We're too busy cutting corporate taxes and giving away $715,000,000,000 to the defense industries.


You just said that minorities prefer handguns. Restrictions on bump stocks and AR "pistol" SBR's hits square in the middle of the digital camo underoo wearing crowd.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Most criminals don't know what a "ghost gun" is. Do you honestly think "ghost guns" are used in the majority of crimes and homicides? This is a backdoor way of going after parts manufacturers and you absolutely can 3D print a usable firearm that would not have a serial number.

Not everyone is going to register their AR pistols as SBRs if that is what Biden's handlers instruct him to do.

I never said minorities prefer handguns. I don't know what people enjoy shooting but the facts are that the overwhelming majority of crimes, like 90-95%+, are committed by people using handguns. The media loves to rail against the big scary guns that they don't understand for multiple reasons but mainly because talking about the handgun being used in inner cities each week doesn't really fit the narrative they are going for.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Ah, yeah, ok guys. Now back to the topic



I think you brought up ghost guns, not me. I'm indifferent about them, just pointing out your error. It may be theoretically possible to 3D print a firearm that with ostensibly function briefly, but ghost guns refers to unfinished lowers with no serial numbers. Still legal, so get yours before uncle Joe denies you. That is, if you have the skill to complete one.

If people don't register their SBR that fine, but they risk losing all their guns, and the legal right to purchase a firearm, and maybe their virginity in a federal prison. Choose wisely.

The reason AR pattern rifles get the attention is because they fire a military caliber cartridge from a high capacity magazine and have become the go to weapon for right wing terrorists and mass murderers.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

So, the people with money will register their AR as an SBR. Who do you think is going to be going to prison because of it for not registering theirs?

Again, murders using rifle calibers nationwide account for about 500 of the 10,000 gun deaths in 2019, or roughly 5%. I guess the right wing terrorists and mass murderers get a lot more attention. So far in Chicago this year 795 people have been shot. Hardly any of them were shot with rifle calibers and none of you seem to care at all about them.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

I guess maga anti-government types. We'll find out perhaps.
Or they'll bury them in backyards everywhere and dogs will be digging them up and robbing butcher shops.


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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

LOL, that is pretty funny.
The cost for a tax stamp is less than a few boxes of ammo in today's market, so it really isn't that expensive.

But, if they do declare arm brace pistols to be SBRs, it would be nice if there was a path to convert the firearm to a 16+" bbl with either a new barrel or welding/pinning a compensator or flash hider to get to 16+" bbl length to make them a standard minimum rifle length. New, decent barrels are not that expensive for an AR, nor that difficult to install. the poor mans version is to weld a piece of pipe to the barrel to get to the 16" length. That would legally make it a 16" barrel as long as it is permanently affixed.




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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

$200 for Form 1 won't break the bank, but they'll probably grandfather them in. I'll be looking to sell mine at a nice premium.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Might want to sell them if you see a ban in imminent before it is enacted. in 1989 the Roberti-Roose AWC Act of '89 did not allow you to sell except to a state where it was legal.

At that time I had match AR's (eagle arms action masters, and an H-bar) and had to register them with the California DOJ in order to keep them and use them. Some of the matches post-ban wanted to see the rifle's paperwork before letting you sign up. I still have the DOJ letters in the buttstocks of those rifles as a memento and reminder.





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If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV

Sniper, your stats show why all guns of all types should be illegal. Didn't heck they accuracy but have no reason to & will take them at face value.. Goes to show why the 2nd should be nothing more than a 'history lesson'.. It was an 'amendment' anyway - showng that it can be changed.. Want to keep your guns and ammo? Solve a few minor social 'problems' first that seem to be at the root of gun violence.... Madness, jealously, greed, power etc etc ... Lots of 'amendments' out there - remember prohibition - came and went.....

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There are NO white people at all in the Bible... take all the time you need with that...
Please stop feeding the trolls - they will go away if you do...

Unfortunately, sometimes you have to play the hand you are dealt and in this case the cat is already out of the bag. If I thought it was too much to deal with then there are plenty of options in terms of places to move where this problem is replaced with another that is just as detrimental to the people who live there. Stress is all relative.

As Dave Chappelle said, "The First Amendment is first for a reason. Second Amendment is just in case the first one doesn't work out."

Solve a few minor social problems? Please elaborate on which ones you are referring to.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Edited: 04/14/2021 at 04:43 AM by Sniper

So russkie truck tries to impart his communist/socialist views through social engineering, accuse those who are proponents of the 2nd amendment as White Supremacists! Cuba is 90 miles away--they welcome your type of thinking!

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

Quit pretending you care about the constitution. Dotards are enemies of the constitution.


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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

Wow!

What an epic lie!



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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 04/13/2021 at 07:55 AM by Fish Killer

The great thing about the United States is that you are free to go live as a socialist or communist without even leaving the country. Plenty of people have done it. Find some like-minded people and setup shop in Oregon or California. Share what you make and what you grow. Share your wife with the leader. Maybe do piles of drugs with people who's names are really Jennifer and Chad but they demand that you refer to them by their newly adopted trail-name versus their given slave-names.

Do as you wish but leave my money and effort out of it.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

And you are a fucking moron!




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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

and the village MORON doesn't know what a spring and clip does to that 'collapsible' stock...because he's a fucking IDIOT!


and OH WAIT......

The village MORON surely doesn't have a clue about how a bump stock actually works....and can be done with a simple rubber band!

Maybe the FOOL might learn something!

My bet...HELL NO!

Because he genuinely is a fucking MORON!



FOOL!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 04/13/2021 at 04:56 AM by Fish Killer

And then of course there are these:

http://patriot1tech.com/magazi...y-the-bump-stock-ban/


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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

When the founders wrote the 2nd amendment they are referring to black powder muzzle loading guns, and there was no standing army, hence the need for militia.

There's a strong logical argument that it's an anachronism.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

HELL NO THEY WEREN'T!

There were cannon and all kinds of rifles at that time....

THEY CLEARLY SAID...."ARMS" (open ended content)

ANY ARMS TO PROTECT AND DEFEND (THEMSELVES) AND ASSAULT....A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT!

LIAR!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 04/14/2021 at 07:47 AM by Fish Killer

That's so dumb.
Why do you bother with this shit?


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

The former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court publicly characterized the N.R.A position on an absolute right to own firearms as perpetrating "one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime."

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

The former Chief Justice is a FRAUD!

The US Constitution is VERY VERY CLEAR ON THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO OWN FIREARMS!

FOOL!

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State; the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 04/14/2021 at 09:53 AM by Fish Killer