It seems that the GOP is actually "God Almighty":

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron...rew-own-085309749.html

Ron DeSantis Threatens to Screw His Own State to Spite the CDC
Eleanor Clift
Tue, May 11, 2021, 4:53 AM

The same Republicans ranting about President Biden's supposed socialist takeover are just fine putting free enterprise in a straitjacket when it suits them.

Take Miami, the capital of the global cruise industry, where ships are prepared to sail again in July by complying with Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines that 98 percent of crew members and 95 percent of passengers are vaccinated. Blocking the industry's return is Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who last month signed an executive order banning so-called vaccine passports, and this month signed legislation that makes it illegal for any business or industry to even ask whether any customer or passenger has been vaccinated.

The CEO of Norwegian Cruise Line is threatening to pull out of the Port of Miami and relocate elsewhere - including the Caribbean - if DeSantis doesn't lift his ban. But DeSantis is effectively threatening to cut off the state's nose to spite the federal government's face, saying that "If you don't let them sail from Florida, they're going to sail from the Bahamas" while suggesting that the only way that ships will sail from Florida is if the CDC drops its guidelines. He also blamed the CDC for creating "deaths from despair, deaths from people who got involved with drugs and substance abuse or suicide" because their "livelihoods were shattered by what the CDC did," saying that there were "larger implications than just cruise ships sailing or not" in letting health officials ensure cruise passengers are vaccinated.

"I'm calling it a high-stakes game of chicken," Miami-Dade County Mayor Daniella Levine Cava told The Daily Beast. "It's hard to believe that when push comes to shove, and the cruise industry has followed all the CDC guidelines, that he would stand in their way."

The cruise industry is the economic lifeblood of South Florida. Miami-Dade just completed a brand new $263 million terminal for Norwegian, one of a half-dozen cruise lines that call Miami their home away from home. They have headquarters in foreign countries, and Cava, a lawyer herself, says this standoff with DeSantis could come down to lots of lawyering as to how far the DeSantis ban can reach ships sailing in foreign waters.

Cava is a Democrat and the county's first woman to hold the job, but the bigger issue here is the ease with which Republicans like DeSantis cast aside their commitment to private enterprise when it fits their cultural agenda. If Norwegian pulled out of the port and others followed, the results would be "devastating," says Cava.

The year before the COVID pandemic, the state accounted for 60.1 percent of all passenger embarkations in the U.S., according to an economic-impact report on the industry from Cruise Lines International Association. It channeled more than $9 billion in direct spending to the state and supported 159,000 jobs there, with total wages and salaries of $8.1 billion.

Yet DeSantis "doesn't want anybody to ask who's been vaccinated," says Cava, even though "companies are all willing, they think it's safe - and passengers would want it. We've vaccinated a couple of thousand crew to put the ships back in shape."

Cava says it took months of back-and-forth with the CDC to lift the health agency's "No Sail" order - before DeSantis weighed in with his objection, and ships have already resumed sailing from other parts of the world. "We're losing business in South Florida when people fly to other places to take these cruises," she says. With everyone remembering those terrible days early in the pandemic when cruise ships were like Petri dishes stranded offshore with passengers sickened by COVID, it took a while before the CDC fully recognized how transformational the vaccines could be for the industry.

Notably, Republican Sen. (and former Gov.) Rick Scott has raised no objection to the CDC plan, because it would get the industry going again with an achievable requirement of 98 percent fully vaccinated passengers. But how do you know? "You have to be able to ask them," says Cava. And DeSantis, who sued the federal government over its original no-sail order and has put aside a quarter-billion dollars in federal relief funds for the industry, is rejecting the vaccine requirement as a supposed invasion of privacy and violation of personal choice and freedom.

That's a political choice, Cava says, as "a certain percentage of people who are very anti- these protections view it as a matter of personal liberty and they like him creating these barriers - there are many others who would not cruise without these protections - and so he's playing to his base. The governor has said he doesn't want to put undue pressure on business or industry, but here he is doing the same thing. It sort of sounds like he got boxed into this situation. Maybe he's happy with the situation. It's hard to believe that when push comes to shove, and as the cruise industry has followed the CDC guidelines, that he would stand in their way."

But so far, he is. Cava said she has not spoken to DeSantis directly about this, adding, "I should reach out to his office, but clearly he knows what he's saying."

This is not like pulling baseball's All-Star Game out of Atlanta, a big decision but a one-off and thus a largely symbolic one. What Norwegian is contemplating is a major business decision with long-term implications and vast costs because the CEO can't stand the heavy hand of DeSantis' government.

It is bonkers for a Republican governor who claims to be a conservative dictating to private companies about what reasonable precautions they can ask passengers to take.

Republicans love to goad Democrats about being socialists, but "providing government assistance is not socialism. Socialism is the takeover of private industry," says Matt Bennett with the centrist Democratic group Third Way. "DeSantis is requiring that private industry bend to his will, which is in the same neighborhood as socialism. And it's so extreme that a major industry is thinking of pulling out of one of its most lucrative markets."

Whatever it is, it's not conservative. Conservative is what Biden is doing, saying to businesses that if you want a vaccine requirement, good luck with that, let the market decide. Government is not going to mandate one.

What DeSantis is doing is right-wing populism, appealing to the base's basest instincts. Given the economic stakes for his state, perhaps he will be the one to yield in this game of chicken, but given the state of today's GOP that's not at all certain.

"Vaccines are bad, so a vaccine mandate is very bad," says Bennett, explaining the Republican view behind DeSantis' opposition. "He may be willing to take the economic hit for what he perceives as a win with the Trump base."

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'Vaccine Passports' are a direct violation of the US Constitution and HIPPA.



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No they are, especially when requested by a private company.

Don't like our rule, tough shit.

This IS the point of the article, you fucking moron.






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Edited: 05/12/2021 at 05:33 AM by Cole

FUCK YES THEY ARE!

HIPPA IS VERY CLEAR!

SO IS OUR CONSTITUTION!

FUCKING IDIOT!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

You can't got to school without proof if inoculations. That's been true for decades. So the virus was a hoax. Then it was an economic problem and now it's a personal freedom to reject the cure. Add to that the complete irony that this is a party that uses abortion as a wedge issue with the idea that the government has authority of a woman's body and her freedom to abort that baby is subordinate to the government's mandate that she cannot.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Schools don't require a flu vaccine to go to school. Flu is twice as deadly for children as Covid is. I don't understand how anyone can require anyone to have these vaccines before they have been fully blessed by the FDA.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Well, this is big news indeed. Progs have an issue with DeSantis? Who saw that coming? Wow. Next thing you know they won't like Trump.

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Covid has become more deadly for kids than it was in the beginning through mutations.


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QOP = Terrorists
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BTW, before you progs head back to your under the bed safe spaces over this apocalyptic news, I tend to doubt that the cruise industry will abandon the biggest cruise market in the world. Not for long, anyway.

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No it hasn't. We are still sitting at a total of 277 Covid deaths for people 17 and under. I think that number may have even fallen somehow since I looked it up a week or two ago. I could have sworn we were at around 285 last time I checked.

If we had 277 child deaths during a typical flu season, virologists would be thinking we made some kind of breakthrough. They would think we had practically wiped it out.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

So the flu vaccine isnt required but Measles, Mumps, Rubella polio, etc are and they have been since those vaccines were developed. You must not have kids in school. Any parent knows this.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Hey empress porkchop: how's that world beating cruise line investment coming along?
Key west passed a referendum expressing their citizens desire not to have their streets constantly clogged with fat stupid kruise kooks who don't spend any money, and block out people who do.
Deadsantas is trying to over ride their votes and force them to accept these idiots. But the qop turds are the party that wants less government intrusion....um, what?
Fuck the cruise lines, hope that they all go somewhere else.
duuhhhh

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It's a democratic hoax

Edited: 05/12/2021 at 11:11 AM by nukeh2o

Yeah, because the diseases you mentioned are a threat to kids. Unless you have data that proves otherwise then it isn't. You are talking about the equivalent of young kids having to prove they don't have AIDS. They aren't at risk.



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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Key West may not prefer fat midwesterners in Hawaiin shirts but they love their money. Economically, this is a stupid fight to pick and even more stupid to lose.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

You're so full of shit. The Covid virus has killed half a million people. It's earned its place among the required shots whether you're a Republican, democrat or whatever else.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

It hasn't earned shit!

Most of those people didn't die of covid!

Keep sucking on the Kool-Aid!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

If no one died, why do you constantly attack the scientists involved?



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I was right.

Who said no one died?

ONLY YOUR STUPID IDIOT IQ69 BRAIN SAID THAT!

GO BACK AND LEARN HOW TO FUCKING READ>>>>COLESLAW!





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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 05/13/2021 at 06:43 AM by Fish Killer

In one thread you blame Fauchi for the deadly virus, in another you claim the virus is nothing but the flu.

Hey fucking moron, can you pick one?

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Private businesses are free to make up their own rules that may be more restrictive than local ones.. They can also choose to open up partially, or not at all - or move eleswehere.. Remember "Freedom"... e.g. No shoes, no shirt, no service.... Having been vaccinated does not make you unable to get the virus at all - none of the vacc's are 100% .. Best I heard was about high / mid 90's.. some mid /low 80%.. All of them however reduce the magnitude of how badly you get affected after the jab.. in ALL cases you are 1000% better with the jab than without.. Be a fool and not listen to the science if you don't want to and take your chances - it's a free world.. But don't think that you may not have 'freedom' consequences - also affect the 'freedom' of others around you.. Some may have pre exist conditions (immune def's etc) that may put them at risk for the jab - talk to your doctor if in doubt.. Some businesses are definitely more 'petri dishes' for nurturing the virus - as the cruise industry quickly found out - and so the did the rest of us.. It will be quite a while before the cruise industry digs themself out of that 'reputation' - and fools like deathsantis telling them to not enforce masks etc may be the permanent death knell for them - and a chance that the don't want to take especially after been beaten down so badly already - quite a few of the may already be about to go belly up at this point... We will see how things go shortly when the vacc's get fully 'licensed' and approved - and how deathsantis et al respond to the public (e.g. schools) and privete business places wanting to institute their own 'safety measures' to keep them (workers etc) and other 'users/customers etc' safe from those who have not been vaccinated.. Have a hunch we will have the SCOTUS weighing in on this issue very very shortly... Do you think they will do the traditional thing and weigh in on the side of ... wait for it... 'business'??,, WTF!!! 'Workers rights'??... Hmmm.. Complex and you can be sure that there will be pissed people on both sides regardless of what they come up with.. 'One size' decisions definitely don't 'fit all'...

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There are NO white people at all in the Bible... take all the time you need with that...
Please stop feeding the trolls - they will go away if you do...

Fauci CREATED the Wuhan virus.....The Wuhan Virus does kill people BUT NOT IN ANY OF THE NUMBERS THAT YOU AND THE CDC CLAIM!

YOUR NUMBERS ARE FUCKING BULLSHIT AND USED TO SCARE PEOPLE!

ALMOST ALL OF OUR FLU NUMBERS AND DEATHS HAVE BEEN CALLED COVID 19 TO DATE!

DEATHS FRON CAR ACCIDENTS AND GUNSHOT WOUNDS ETC ETC ETC...HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED AS COVID 19!

LOOK UP THE STATED NUMBERS TODAY FOR FLU INFECTIONS AND FLU DEATHS!

COMPARE THEN TO ANY YEAR'S NUMBERS FOR THE FLU!

FLU...WHAT FUCKING FLU?

IT DOESN'T EXIST THIS LAST YEAR!

WHY EXACTLY IS THAT?

IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 05/15/2021 at 09:32 AM by Fish Killer

Masks have kept the flu numbers way down.

The funny thing is when people get tested, it shows that have had Covid and not the flu. Only an idiot would think they were the same thing. A very stupid idiot.

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BULLSHIT!

Masks don't work for covid 19 VIRUS and they sure dont work for the flu VIRUS either...

YOU STUPID MORON!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

The data is tracked by those in the know and not by a bunch of clowns who write babble for far right conspiracy sites.

Clinical laboratories, which tested nearly 25,000 samples, found just 14 flu cases. Yes, these laboratories know what they are looking for...

http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-...happened-to-flu-season

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I was right.

What a FUCKING MORON!

The CDC LIES!

PROVED!

The simple and FACTUAL ANSWER....ALL FLU NUMBERS ARE COVID NUMBERS!

FACT!

YOU ARE AS STUPID AS THEY COME COLESLAW!

"So far this season, labs reporting to the CDC had just 1,585 samples test positive for flu of any kind. Compare that to last year over the same period, when there were more than 183,000 positive samples. Those numbers are making infectious disease specialists do double takes.

"Nobody has seen a flu season this low, ever. And some of us have some gray hair," says William Schaffner, MD, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University in Nashville. Vanderbilt is part of a network of hospitals that are actively looking for flu cases among their patients. They can't find any.

So far this year, only one child has died of the flu. Last year, that number was 195."



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

You just basically made my point for me. Covid killed 500,000 people here and of that 500,000 only 277 were kids. That is 0.06%. You guys want to force all children to receive a vaccine that hasn't been completely vetted by the FDA for something that this group of people is not at risk. This has nothing to do with "the science". This is a result of simple-minded people who say "vaccine good. everyone must get vaccine." regardless of any additional information.

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Children can catch and spread COVID to parents, grandparents, and you dotards who don't believe in vaccines. You can't really be this dumb can you?

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Well, what happened? Did the cruise industry abandon the state yet?

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Where are these grandparents? Have they been living under a rock? They realize that multiple vaccines have been available to them since December, right? They understand that it is free and that it is on them to protect themselves at this point, right?

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

DeSantis said something like he was not worried about loosing the "smaller" cruise lines because of his ban. Hmmmmmm, , , , , , ,!

Isn't Norwegian the third largest for the State?

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Poor FK, he basically does not truly understand very much about the world we live in, , , , ,

"Masks don't work for covid 19 VIRUS and they sure dont work for the flu VIRUS either..."

Wrong!!!! Masks are up to 95% effective in "filtering" Corona Viruses as they exist in the air around us. Masks are, perhaps, not able to "filter" singular virus "cells" BUT, the corona viruses we are worried about circulate in the air around us while they are contained in much larger aerosols. Masks trap the aerosols. 95% is pretty damn good. Please understand that there really is not much in this world that is, or ever will be, 100%, except death.

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Poor dingbitch, he basically does not truly understand very much about the world we live in....

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

FUCKING MORON!!!!!!

Actually all you are is a bad liar.

http://www.rcreader.com/commen...vide-19-social-policy

http://eumeswill.wordpress.com...k-a-revealing-review/

http://off-guardian.org/2020/0...ged-from-the-internet/

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

The disinfo they are spreading is ridiculous. Try going into the UF Pulmonary care unit without a mask during cold and flu season and especially now during covid. Hell, every medical facility I've been to in the last year requires a mask. Have they been in on the plandemic all these years? Mom was in the ICU back in December 2019. Hospital provided masks and had signs indicating that if you had so much as a sniffle that you should wear a mask. Why is that if masks aren't effective at preventing respiratory virus transmission?

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Seems obvious, doesn't it? These people are being paid off by Big Mask. You progs are always going on about how Republicans are getting paid off by Big Something or Other. So why are you giving these people a pass?

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When do piggy and the chumpfscum sheep starting forging vaccination cards?
Dudsantis humiliates himself groveling like a fat poodle at the feet of his massa.
Anything to sustain the utterly foolish and disproven bullshit narrative baby blimp has built up around his criminally negligent covid response.
Communities vote to eliminate cruise ship kooks from their towns. Nope, big brother doesn't approve. Independent businesses want to prevent a repeat of the covid disasters by following rational scientific guidelines. The cruiselines completely ate shit.
Nope, not allowed.
A media company wants to limit spreading of violent, seditious, insurrectionist agitprop by the biggest lying loser in american history.....nope, not allowed.
And this is the party that wants the government out of our lives and our businesses, huh?
Riiiiiight....fat orange Bigbaby Brother is watching!

Oh yeah, and "Pig Mask" is it now, porkpoleon? Right up there with the derp state, soros and his army of anitifa alien space creatures. Jewish lasers, tin foil hats, and cancer causing windmills.....i am neither a potted plant nor a pizza!
duuhhuuuhhuuuuuh..........

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It's a democratic hoax

Edited: 06/02/2021 at 12:18 PM by nukeh2o

More than 5,000 new cases over the last five days. Is the Trump lover spike in effect? We shall see.

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I was right.

60% cruises leave from FL ports. He got this wrong.


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QOP = Terrorists
FK = Gay

Only a child diddling asshole wouldn't know this.

"The major cruise lines, Norwegian's not one of the bigger ones, by the way... they have been operating in other parts of the world where there's no access to vaccine, much less the passengers required" to be vaccinated, DeSantis said during a news conference in Ormand Beach.

DeSantis later said that if one of the smaller cruise lines doesn't want to operate in Florida, "that niche will get filled."

"We are the number one destination for people who want to come and take cruises," DeSantis said. "These cruise lines are ready to go - Royal Caribbean, Carnival - they want to go, they're going to be able to do it. We're ready."

DeSantis is suing the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention over the no-sail order.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Lots of libtard Fauci's on here!!

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Sorry. New numbers up to about a million. Double the number of needlessly dead kids for the inconvenience of a shot. Literally hundreds of kids dying needlessly because you see this as a math problem. Once again, you clearly do not have kids. Letting kids die for your bastardized interpretation of herd immunity amounts to criminal negligence.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Have you gotten your flu shot? If not, then you've killed 2-3 times the number of kids that someone who hasn't gotten a Covid shot. Why aren't you guys talking about that if you are in it for the kids?

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines that 98 percent of crew members and 95 percent of passengers are vaccinated.

Why %98 of the crew and %95 of passengers???
Because that is considered to be herd immunity numbers?

BUT here we are in America with only 1/4 of the people are immune,
and we are opening up schools...

IF the CDC says %98 for cruise ship employees, it should be %98 for teachers and educators
If CDC says %95 for passengers, it should be %95 for students...
Thats the science bitches...
Biden is trying to kill our children by allowing schools to open before those magical CDC numbers are reached...


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We have that idiot and raise you another idiot.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

hey spankit, get out your bodyboard the shore pound is sweet at no club

Recent info says that 85% of potential cruisers prefer "vaccine passports" being required to get on the boat, , , , ,!.

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Why anyone likes those plague spreading turd barges is beyond me.

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So the flu vaccine isnt required but Measles, Mumps, Rubella polio, etc are and they have been since those vaccines were developed. You must not have kids in school. Any parent knows this

Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Polio all attacked children, and children were the main spreaders of these bugs to other children.
Since Measles, Mumps, Rubella polio, etc primarily attacked children they were required to be vaccinated.

Thats NOT how COVID spread and not who needs to be protected from Covid.
Covid attacks older adults, if any group should REQUIRE Vaccination it is the elderly..
But even then you would make it political, claiming there are more white people getting the vaccine than black people...
Yes, thats Science, there are more elderly white people than there are elderly Black people...

The bone of contention is that the CDC banned cruise lines, that is a POLITICAL issue and they are doing it to try and force states into obeying the CDC guidelines (which change with the wind).
It should be the individual business to decide that they require or wave masks for their patrons.
It should be up to the individual business to require shots or no shots for their EMPLOYEES.
BUT It is up to the state not the CDC to say if a business operates in this STATE, these are the guidelines, STATE GUIDLINES, that they must follow.


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Edited: 06/02/2021 at 08:15 AM by somebodyelse