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 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Sniper - 07/25/2021 12:14 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Cole - 07/25/2021 12:46 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Fish Killer - 07/25/2021 12:54 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Cole - 07/25/2021 01:09 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - scombrid - 07/25/2021 01:18 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Fish Killer - 07/25/2021 01:36 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Greensleeves - 07/25/2021 02:15 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Fish Killer - 07/25/2021 03:18 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Sniper - 07/25/2021 04:30 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - wbsponger - 07/25/2021 06:22 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Sniper - 07/26/2021 04:43 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Sniper - 07/26/2021 04:50 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - wbsponger - 07/26/2021 08:35 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - scombrid - 07/26/2021 08:49 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Sniper - 07/26/2021 11:03 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - scombrid - 07/26/2021 11:35 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Sniper - 07/26/2021 12:13 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Sniper - 07/26/2021 12:31 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - scombrid - 07/26/2021 01:08 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Sniper - 07/26/2021 01:24 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - scombrid - 07/26/2021 11:37 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Fish Killer - 07/25/2021 06:33 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Cole - 07/25/2021 07:53 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Fish Killer - 07/26/2021 04:35 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Greensleeves - 07/26/2021 05:22 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Pagerow - 07/26/2021 06:43 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Fish Killer - 07/26/2021 05:49 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - stokedpanda - 07/26/2021 01:11 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - nukeh2o - 07/26/2021 01:13 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - scombrid - 07/26/2021 01:28 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - scombrid - 07/26/2021 01:35 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Fish Killer - 07/26/2021 04:05 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - jdbman - 07/26/2021 04:15 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - jdbman - 07/26/2021 04:19 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - wbsponger - 07/26/2021 06:26 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - wbsponger - 07/26/2021 06:30 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - worksuxgetsponsered - 07/27/2021 05:33 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - scombrid - 07/27/2021 05:38 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - scombrid - 07/27/2021 05:40 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - grdsurf - 07/27/2021 08:03 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - worksuxgetsponsered - 07/27/2021 08:17 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - grdsurf - 07/27/2021 08:32 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - stokedpanda - 07/27/2021 08:52 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - worksuxgetsponsered - 07/27/2021 09:19 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - scombrid - 07/27/2021 03:05 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Sniper - 07/27/2021 07:13 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - worksuxgetsponsered - 07/27/2021 07:39 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Cole - 07/27/2021 05:50 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - worksuxgetsponsered - 07/27/2021 06:28 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Cole - 07/27/2021 06:40 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - nukeh2o - 07/27/2021 09:00 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Sniper - 07/27/2021 05:32 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Fish Killer - 07/26/2021 06:23 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - somebodyelse - 07/28/2021 04:56 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Cole - 07/28/2021 05:48 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Fish Killer - 07/28/2021 09:55 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Cole - 07/28/2021 02:39 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Fish Killer - 07/28/2021 06:24 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Pagerow - 07/28/2021 01:28 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Sniper - 07/29/2021 07:09 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - somebodyelse - 07/29/2021 05:42 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Cole - 07/29/2021 06:54 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - wbsponger - 07/29/2021 01:58 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Central Floridave - 07/29/2021 04:13 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - somebodyelse - 07/29/2021 07:14 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Cole - 07/29/2021 07:19 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Fish Killer - 07/29/2021 12:55 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - somebodyelse - 07/29/2021 08:27 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Pagerow - 07/29/2021 08:53 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Cole - 07/29/2021 06:11 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - wtf - 07/29/2021 08:54 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - somebodyelse - 07/29/2021 10:11 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - somebodyelse - 07/29/2021 10:18 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Greensleeves - 07/29/2021 10:52 AM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Pagerow - 07/29/2021 12:40 PM  
 We don't really know how many cases of Covid-19 there really were....   - Central Floridave - 07/29/2021 04:52 PM  
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Sniper

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CDC pulls plug on emergency use authorization for PCR test.

CDC pulling the plug on PCR tests because it can't tell the difference between COVID and the flu...

Are there any aspects of this whole ordeal that haven't been bullshit?

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I had three tests done and two barely poked me in the nose, the third went for the brain. All came back negative.

Not that any of it really matters since we didn't bother with contact tracing or isolation in this country.

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Sooooooo.....lets see!

Coleslaw posts daily infection rates yet doesn't admit OR acknowledge that the tests that derive the numbers are counting ALL covid AND flu infections!

WHAT AN ASSHOLE!

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ALL covid AND flu infections

Says who?

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says them and they are wrong.

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Originally posted by: Cole

ALL covid AND flu infections



Says who?


"CDC pulling the plug on PCR tests because it can't tell the difference between COVID and the flu."

COVID-19 and PCR Testing
The nose swab PCR test for COVID-19 is the most accurate and reliable test for diagnosing COVID-19. A positive test means you likely have COVID-19. A negative test means you probably did not have COVID-19 at the time of the test. Get tested if you have symptoms of COVID-19 or have been exposed to someone who tested positive for COVID-19.

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Hey Qotards, your ignorant movement has misplayed this every step of the way and you're still fucking up. God damn you are stupid shit heads.

Qniper hilarious as he tries to rationalize some excuse. Look in the mirror bitch, you are the problem.
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Fauci is going down!

Busted!

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Everyone should have known something was up when PCR tests started testing vaccinated people at 25 cycles and increased the number of cycles for unvaccinated people to around 45. Between that and when they stopped tracking breakthrough cases where the vaccinated test positive, it definitely looks like data manipulation. Why wouldn't we want to know how effective these vaccines are?

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Originally posted by: Sniper Everyone should have known something was up when PCR tests started testing vaccinated people at 25 cycles and increased the number of cycles for unvaccinated people to around 45. Between that and when they stopped tracking breakthrough cases where the vaccinated test positive, it definitely looks like data manipulation. Why wouldn't we want to know how effective these vaccines are?
Fact Check?

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Originally posted by: wbsponger

Originally posted by: Sniper

Everyone should have known something was up when PCR tests started testing vaccinated people at 25 cycles and increased the number of cycles for unvaccinated people to around 45. Between that and when they stopped tracking breakthrough cases where the vaccinated test positive, it definitely looks like data manipulation. Why wouldn't we want to know how effective these vaccines are?


Fact Check?


Your link is from February. The link I posted in my initial post is from yesterday directly from the CDC's website. The CDC is flat out saying that the PCR tests have been wrong all along.

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Also, it makes no sense that we would only be interested in the number of vaccinated who go to the hospital or die of Covid. We are sure tracking the shit out of the number of cases of people who get Covid among the unvaccinated. If we only tracked hospitalizations and deaths all along then things would probably look a lot nicer right now.

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Originally posted by: Sniper
Originally posted by: wbsponger
Originally posted by: Sniper Everyone should have known something was up when PCR tests started testing vaccinated people at 25 cycles and increased the number of cycles for unvaccinated people to around 45. Between that and when they stopped tracking breakthrough cases where the vaccinated test positive, it definitely looks like data manipulation. Why wouldn't we want to know how effective these vaccines are?
Fact Check?
Your link is from February. The link I posted in my initial post is from yesterday directly from the CDC's website. The CDC is flat out saying that the PCR tests have been wrong all along.
Thats not what it says. Basically instead of having to take separate PCR tests: Test 1: do I have COVID yes/no? Test 2: DO I have Flu yes/no. Moving forward due to advancements in the assay technology etc We now have Test 3: one swab and assay will be able to do COVID yes/no and flu yes/no. I think some can even go more specific in terms of COVID vs Strain A of Flu, Strain B of Flu etc

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Originally posted by: Sniper The CDC is flat out saying that the PCR tests have been wrong all along.
Nope. Not what CDC is saying.

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Originally posted by: scombrid

Originally posted by: Sniper

The CDC is flat out saying that the PCR tests have been wrong all along.


Nope. Not what CDC is saying.


In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. - CDC

Okay, then how do you interpret the statement above? Do you think the CDC is encouraging labs to adopt another test that can differentiate between CoV-2 and the flu because the PCR method is doing a fantastic job?

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Wbsponger already spelled it out.

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Originally posted by: scombrid

Wbsponger already spelled it out.


I posted the quote from the CDC. They don't say that they suggest labs moving to one test for both. They clearly say that they suggest labs moving to an FDA approved test that can tell the difference between CoV-2 and flu. If you have a quote that shows them elaborating on this further then by all means post it.

Originally posted by: scombrid

Did you also miss that the test will be in use until the end of the year? Kind of a weird thing to do if it doesn't work at all.


The CDC's announcement explains this as well. They said that they wanted to give labs time to explore alternatives, negotiate their terms, and implement an alternative as opposed to revoking emergency authorization for this one immediately, leaving them with nothing. Make sense?

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Once PCR tests start to phase out, new positive tests will drop like a rock and Biden can claim victory!

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Just stick with your delusions if that makes you happy, bud.

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Originally posted by: scombrid

Just stick with your delusions if that makes you happy, bud.


Delusions? I've haven't even posted much opinion, just quotes from the CDC.

I don't even see this as being particularly political. Not sure why you feel you have to defend PCR tests unless you played a part in creating it or something. Why would your feelings get hurt because the test that the CDC has been using isn't all that accurate?

Are you going to tell me that the medical community stopped tracking breakthrough cases for our benefit? Why wouldn't we want to know as much about how this virus behaves as possible, including who is being infected after being vaccinated?

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Did you also miss that the test will be in use until the end of the year? Kind of a weird thing to do if it doesn't work at all.

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This site can't be reachedhttps's DNS address could not be found. Diagnosing the problem.
DNS_PROBE_POSSIBLE

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The link works fine.

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Originally posted by: Cole

The link works fine.


"The WHO's guidance was meant to remind labs to conduct the tests with the instructions provided in order to ensure accuracy in the results."

The problem COLESHIT is that IN FACT the labs screw up the tests ALL THE TIME!

DAILY!

AND YES...THOSE NUMBERS GET REPORTED!

SOOOOO...FUCK YES THE NUMBERS ARE TAINTED!

ERVER NOTICE THAT THERE ARE ALMOST NO FLU NUMBERS...FOR THE WHOLE YEAR!

ALL OF THOSE FLU NUMBERS GOT ADDED TO THE COVID NUMBERS!

FACT!

FUCKING IDIOT!

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Edited: 07/26/2021 at 04:38 AM by Fish Killer
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Whining qotard bitches. Hey your fellow insurrectionists are dying because they're not getting vaccinated. Oops.
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It's interesting that those who claim that freedom is one of the driving beliefs of America,

Yet they are against those people who express themselves freely.

These expressions of Freedom are protected by the Constitution of the United States.

So, those people who are against freedom of expression are against the Constitution of the United States.

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NAZI

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I know 5 people who got covid in the past 10 days in jax, its spreading like an airborn virus up here LOL

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A guy i know in merritt island just lost his beautiful, healthy 23 year old daughter to this madness.
What a waste

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Originally posted by: Sniper CDC pulls plug on emergency use authorization for PCR test. CDC pulling the plug on PCR tests because it can't tell the difference between COVID and the flu... Are there any aspects of this whole ordeal that haven't been bullshit?
Opening post sure looks opiniony. Wrong claim about tracking breakthrough infections as well.

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Here is the test that is replacing the test that will be phased out. The old test only looked for Covid. It did not mis diagnosed flu as being Covid as sniper asserts. This knew test is meant to increase testing efficiency.

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Originally posted by: scombrid
It did not mis diagnosed flu as being Covid as sniper asserts.


BULLSHIT!

LIAR!

Here is but ONE example!

FOOL!

There are NUMEROUS TO DATE!

http://www.beckershospitalrevi...flu-covid-19-test.html

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Edited: 07/26/2021 at 04:10 PM by Fish Killer
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Hey fat boy, yea you Gary

A few questions for you:
Do you eat hot dogs?
Do you eat chicken nuggets?

Yea I know stupid questions.
Of course you do or else you wouldnt be so fucking fat.

But really do you know whats in them?

Most likely not.

So you will eat shit that you have no idea is is in them, but you wont take a proven vaccine?

trunts bunch of fucking death cult hypocrites.

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There are NUMEROUS TO DATE!


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http://www.b...-covid-19-test.html[/Q


I clicked on this. ( first time I ever clicked on a link from trunt Gary)

Article is from March 12

Hey dumbass, today's date is July 26.

Those concerns have been addresses and corrected.


You just are nothing but a lying misinformation trunt.

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Also the article refers to a completely different test thank the one Sniper is in a tizzy about.
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What little mind Gary once had, seems to be lost.
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My brother took 4 tests in a 5 day period; Positive, negative, positive, negative. Never so much as a sniffle. Sounds about as reliable as the 'facts' on 2ndlight.

Can anybody point me to where an mRNA vaccine has been successful in the past? Preferably with a study on the long term affects?

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Rapid antigen test is less reliable in that it produces false negatives. PCR is more accurate.

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The current vaccines are working. Else the hospitalizations wouldn't be 99% unvaxxd.

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Just for the record. I got J&J vaccine in early April. A week ago I started feeling not great with chills and then a mild fever. I waited 4 days and then decided to go to the doctor. I tested positive for both COVID and Influenza Type B this past weekend. I've had mild symptoms for about a week. The doctor prescribed Tamiflu and in addition to that they recommeded:
Pepcid 20 mg per day for 5 days, Vitamin D 10,000 units daily for 5 days, Zinc 25 mg daily for 5 days, Vitamin C 1000mg twice daily for 5 days. Also drink plenty of fluids and take Tylenol for fever.
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Best of luck to you, hope you feel better.

I know a handful of people that have had Covid. The majority didn't know they had it or thought they had a cold. I know of two people that have died from 'it'; one guy was 78, smoked cigs and worked with fiberglass his entire life (and didn't need no stupid respirator), he was already suffering from COPD and probably a plethora of other undiagnosed modalities. The second was a 300+lbs female that was a life long fan of the meth pipe. Yes, apparently some people can smoke meth and still be fat... but not exactly specimens of a healthy lifestyle.

I'm not claiming that it hasn't effected young and healthier people, but I do feel it's being over played.

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I should add that six weeks ago I felt similar to this past week (see prior post) but it only lasted 3 days an I didn't get tested. Prior to that I hadn't had any flu like illness for decades. So for me at least this has been a definite outlier event. One difference is though that I didn't get the annual flu shot last fall like I had for as long as I can remember...again decades, can't know whether or not the lack of a regular flu shot contributed to my current Influenza Type B positive. I do appear to be on the upswing though and hope I'm back 100% in a few days as I have plenty of physical stuff I need to do.
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I wish the scientists would be open and honest, share the data with the entire scientific community and let the world in on it. "Let the adults handle it"....... I get the fear of panic buying or anarchy but we deserve to know, and it would help the thinking public gain back some lost trust that otherwise may never be earned again. And when the real pandemic hits like an Ebola virus people will take it serious if they set the record straight and work together as a species.

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Originally posted by: stokedpanda

I wish the scientists would be open and honest, share the data with the entire scientific community and let the world in on it. "Let the adults handle it"....... I get the fear of panic buying or anarchy but we deserve to know, and it would help the thinking public gain back some lost trust that otherwise may never be earned again. And when the real pandemic hits like an Ebola virus people will take it serious if they set the record straight and work together as a species.




It's a shame we've devolved to this point, but that's what happens when your house of cards is built on blind political ambition and half truths. Historically scientists have been immune to the riffraff, until they started prostituting out research.

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My brother's in-laws got the J&J jab. They are old and in poor health. They went to a super-spreader Army Ranger reunion. They got infected and is is putting a hurting on them. Sucks. I think out of the gate pre-Delta that J&J was only 70% effective at preventing infection in the initial trials. The recommendation was that you should only mingle unprotected with other vaccinated people because if you mingled with unvaccinated folks your risk of exposure goes way up (true for any vaccine, not just J&J). Of course at the Ranger reunion there is lots of hand shaking, drinking, yelling, close talking, sharing of food and all without masks.

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Originally posted by: scombrid

Rapid antigen test is less reliable in that it produces false negatives. PCR is more accurate.


You speak far more favorably about the PCR test than the CDC and the WHO do at this point. You should call them.

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Bill Gates owns all the farm lands in the US and the vaccine is being used to control the people.

Come on man, get with it!


Until Melinda's divorce lawyer gets hold of him....

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Originally posted by: worksuxgetsponsered

My brother took 4 tests in a 5 day period; Positive, negative, positive, negative. Never so much as a sniffle. Sounds about as reliable as the 'facts' on 2ndlight.



Can anybody point me to where an mRNA vaccine has been successful in the past? Preferably with a study on the long term affects?


Read the history of them, the process began in the mid 1990's.

I am getting the urge to work on a Bill Gates farm, so that's kinda strange.



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His were indeed the rapid tests.

The current vaccines are working. Else the hospitalizations wouldn't be 99% unvaxxd.


That is yet to be seen long term and I'd be curious to see what other underlying conditions are present in these people. I work in close proximity to two people that tested positive and both asymptomatic.

Read the history of them, the process began in the mid 1990's.


I have and none have been successful. This is the first large scale human trial. No thanks...

I am getting the urge to work on a Bill Gates farm,


This went over my head, but go for it. I'd like to go work on some of the farms in Oregon during harvest period....

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Bill Gates owns all the farm lands in the US and the vaccine is being used to control the people.

Come on man, get with it!

The vaccine is your choice of course, though I spent some time looking into it and felt it was a better alternative than Covid, especially since I am asthmatic.

This was the most clean-cut description for me. It's pre Covid too, so no bias.

http://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243




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Originally posted by: Cole

Originally posted by: worksuxgetsponsered
My brother took 4 tests in a 5 day period; Positive, negative, positive, negative. Never so much as a sniffle. Sounds about as reliable as the 'facts' on 2ndlight. [IMG][/IMG]
Can anybody point me to where an mRNA vaccine has been successful in the past? Preferably with a study on the long term affects?


Read the history of them, the process began in the mid 1990's.
I am getting the urge to work on a Bill Gates farm, so that's kinda strange.


Hey cole:
dumbsuxworshipchumpf: what was that sound that just whizzed by your ears?
Just keep your SILVER FOIL hats on, and those implanted microchips won't turn you into an infertile antifa alien homeless farm serf.
Wow, grd that sounds scary.....best o' luck bro


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Originally posted by: scombrid

Here is the test that is replacing the test that will be phased out.
The old test only looked for Covid. It did not mis diagnosed flu as being Covid as sniper asserts. This knew test is meant to increase testing efficiency.


That doesn't really change anything. Now we have multiple tests that don't require emergency authorization. However, the PCR test is the one that was used for the majority of last year and the one that was used to justify the lockdowns, masking, etc. Many people have been saying all along that it was extremely flawed but it kept getting pushed out there anyway, inflating the numbers. What do you want to bet that as soon as start to retire it that the number of cases starts to fall?

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I can see that the local NAZI jdbgirl is at it again!

Your fake news shit needs to end you POS!

The article from March 12 is very fucking relevant you stupid fuck!

ALL of the covid numbers that were derived from those FALSE POSITIVE tests are STILL ON THE FUCKING BOOKS!

YOU ALSO LIED ABOUT THOSE TESTS BEING FIXED!

LIAR!

YOU CAN STILL GET THE EXACT SAME FLAWED TEST TODAY!

YOU FUCKING CREEP POS COMMIE PROG ASSHOLE!



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Cole: I am getting the urge to work on a Bill Gates farm

It's always good to aspire to better yourself and even to aim for things way beyond your skill level.
It would probably be a huge raise for you as well...

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Cole: I am getting the urge to work on a Bill Gates farm



It's always good to aspire to better yourself and even to aim for things way beyond your skill level.

It would probably be a huge raise for you as well...


Large scale farming is complicated and tough.

Thanks for sharing your lack of intelligence once again. lol



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Originally posted by: somebodyelse



Cole: I am getting the urge to work on a Bill Gates farm







It's always good to aspire to better yourself and even to aim for things way beyond your skill level.



It would probably be a huge raise for you as well...




Large scale farming is complicated and tough.



Thanks for sharing your lack of intelligence once again. lol


Wow...your reading skills suck....
He was aspiring to the farming being complicated and tough!

Thus it being FAR above your personal skill level...AND thus you should get a huge pay raise if you are actually successful.

What a fucking MORON for not seeing his well wishes!

I personally KNOW that you have NO ability to work on any of Bill Gates farms...as you are one stupid fuck!





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Originally posted by: Cole



Originally posted by: somebodyelse







Cole: I am getting the urge to work on a Bill Gates farm















It's always good to aspire to better yourself and even to aim for things way beyond your skill level.







It would probably be a huge raise for you as well...








Large scale farming is complicated and tough.







Thanks for sharing your lack of intelligence once again. lol




Wow...your reading skills suck....

He was aspiring to the farming being complicated and tough!



Thus it being FAR above your personal skill level...AND thus you should get a huge pay raise if you are actually successful.



What a fucking MORON for not seeing his well wishes!



I personally KNOW that you have NO ability to work on any of Bill Gates farms...as you are one stupid fuck!


WTF? Where you dropped on the head when you were a baby? lol



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Originally posted by: Cole

Originally posted by: Fish Killer



Originally posted by: Cole







Originally posted by: somebodyelse















Cole: I am getting the urge to work on a Bill Gates farm































It's always good to aspire to better yourself and even to aim for things way beyond your skill level.















It would probably be a huge raise for you as well...
















Large scale farming is complicated and tough.















Thanks for sharing your lack of intelligence once again. lol








Wow...your reading skills suck....



He was aspiring to the farming being complicated and tough!







Thus it being FAR above your personal skill level...AND thus you should get a huge pay raise if you are actually successful.







What a fucking MORON for not seeing his well wishes!







I personally KNOW that you have NO ability to work on any of Bill Gates farms...as you are one stupid fuck!




WTF? Where you dropped on the head when you were a baby? lol


Nope ...but the FACTS still remain....you are one stupid fuck, you have serious reading problems and you sure dont know SHIT about offshore fishing, radar OR especially anything about yellowfin tuna!

"Gannets aren't tuna birds" Coleslaw

BWAHAHAHAHA!



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After some counting, it seems that the numbers may be a bit low...

Covid cases in US may have been undercounted by 60%, study shows

The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, builds on research which has found the number of reported cases "represents only a fraction of the estimated total number of infections". It has important implications for how many Americans need to be vaccinated to stop outbreaks.

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Originally posted by: Pagerow

After some counting, it seems that the numbers may be a bit low...

Covid cases in US may have been undercounted by 60%, study shows

The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, builds on research which has found the number of reported cases "represents only a fraction of the estimated total number of infections". It has important implications for how many Americans need to be vaccinated to stop outbreaks.


Based on our media's performance over the past 4-5 years, we should all stop reading a story anytime we see phrases like "may have been", "probably", "might be" etc. in the headline.

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Pagerow: The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, builds on research which has found the number of reported cases "represents only a fraction of the estimated total number of infections". It has important implications for how many Americans need to be vaccinated to stop outbreaks

Dr Fauci Drops A MOAB On The Vaccinated: 'The Viral Load ...
https://vidmax.com/video/206091-dr-fauci-drops-a...
7 hours ago · Dr Fauci Drops A MOAB On The Vaccinated: 'The Viral Load In The Vaccinated Is The Same As Unvaccinated' Watch as Dr Doom himself lets the air out of the vaccination argument. Fauci claims now that vaccinated people get the same level of Delta virus as unvaccinated people.

If the viral load is the same for vaccinate and unvaccinated... Being vaccinated does not prevent the spread of COVID any more than being unvaccinated...
The fact that Vaccinated people don't get as sick, well good for them, but since they think they are protected they are not taking precautionsand are spreading the virus to their children and loved ones.
Thats why the CDC is saying you vaccinated people have to mask up... You are spreading COVID...

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My family is vaccinated. The people I associate with who aren't need to take precautions; mask, social distance, avoid crowded spaces.

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Originally posted by: somebodyelse Pagerow: The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, builds on research which has found the number of reported cases "represents only a fraction of the estimated total number of infections". It has important implications for how many Americans need to be vaccinated to stop outbreaks Dr Fauci Drops A MOAB On The Vaccinated: 'The Viral Load ... https://vidmax.com/video/206091-dr-fauci-drops-a... 7 hours ago · Dr Fauci Drops A MOAB On The Vaccinated: 'The Viral Load In The Vaccinated Is The Same As Unvaccinated' Watch as Dr Doom himself lets the air out of the vaccination argument. Fauci claims now that vaccinated people get the same level of Delta virus as unvaccinated people. If the viral load is the same for vaccinate and unvaccinated... Being vaccinated does not prevent the spread of COVID any more than being unvaccinated... The fact that Vaccinated people don't get as sick, well good for them, but since they think they are protected they are not taking precautions and are spreading the virus to their children and loved ones. Thats why the CDC is saying you vaccinated people have to mask up... You are spreading COVID...
"If the viral load is the same for vaccinate and unvaccinated" this is where your stream of logic, if it can be called that, comes unglued. What percentage of vaccinated people get COVID versus unvaccinated? What percentage of vaccinated people who get COVID have the same viral load as those who are not vaccinated and get COVID???

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Mayhew: COVID Hospitalizations Approaching Peak Levels In Florida

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/...peak-levels-in-florida
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Cole: My family is vaccinated. The people I associate with who aren't need to take precautions; mask, social distance, avoid crowded spaces

You fucking Hypocrite... If the CDC says mask up, you better do so asshat...
You are fucking killing people...

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Cole: My family is vaccinated. The people I associate with who aren't need to take precautions; mask, social distance, avoid crowded spaces



You fucking Hypocrite... If the CDC says mask up, you better do so asshat...

You are fucking killing people...


Are you wearing a mask? Are the Trump faithful wearing a mask? Did they wear masks at the height of the virus? Does Desantis say to wear a mask? Are you going to vote for Desantis again in 2022? Should the state of Florida impose Covid restrictions once again? Are you going to social distance? Are Republicans going to avoid restaurants, cruise ships and other confined spaces?

Or am I to wear a mask so all of you can live normally, even though you refuse to get the vaccine?



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Originally posted by: somebodyelse



Cole: My family is vaccinated. The people I associate with who aren't need to take precautions; mask, social distance, avoid crowded spaces







You fucking Hypocrite... If the CDC says mask up, you better do so asshat...



You are fucking killing people...




Are you wearing a mask? Are the Trump faithful wearing a mask? Did they wear masks at the height of the virus? Does Desantis say to wear a mask? Are you going to vote for Desantis again in 2022? Should the state of Florida impose Covid restrictions once again? Are you going to social distance? Are Republicans going to avoid restaurants, cruise ships and other confined spaces?



Or am I to wear a mask so all of you can live normally, even though you refuse to get the vaccine?


No...but you sure are a HUGE FUCKING HYPOCRITE!

MASK UP ASSHOLE...THATS WHAT YOU BELIEVE!



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Cole: am I to wear a mask so all of you can live normally, even though you refuse to get the vaccine

NO, You are to wear the mask because you spent the last year and a half demanding that we follow the Science
You spent the last year and a half saying masks saved lives and that we all needed to be mindful of society.
The CDC now says even if you are vaccinated you need to mask up...
SO YOU Need to mask up just to prove the last year and a half of your life wasn't a Lie
You need to mask up just to prove that 53000 of your posts aren't just BULLSHIT and hot air...
Put the damn Mask where your mouth is and back up a year of your bullshit posts...

Or damn, don't wear the mask, just apologize to the Fish-man for the last year and a half of Hypocrisy...

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You fucking Hypocrite... If the CDC says mask up, you better do so asshat......


What the hell do you think we've been telling you for over a YEAR now? Glad you've caught up with the times...

And why do you think the virus has mutated so much? (Hint... it's because a large group of certain people haven't been wearing masks, and it led to multiple mutations.)

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Cole: am I to wear a mask so all of you can live normally, even though you refuse to get the vaccine



NO, You are to wear the mask because you spent the last year and a half demanding that we follow the Science

You spent the last year and a half saying masks saved lives and that we all needed to be mindful of society.

The CDC now says even if you are vaccinated you need to mask up...

SO YOU Need to mask up just to prove the last year and a half of your life wasn't a Lie

You need to mask up just to prove that 53000 of your posts aren't just BULLSHIT and hot air...

Put the damn Mask where your mouth is and back up a year of your bullshit posts...



Or damn, don't wear the mask, just apologize to the Fish-man for the last year and a half of Hypocrisy...


That was to protect good people. You aren't good people. You are lying assholes who are too afraid to get a shot. Don't want to get covid, wear a mask and social distance. I'd skip eating out too.



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The CDC link says nothing of what you claim. Goddamn you people are fucking STUPID

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Pagerow: And why do you think the virus has mutated so much? (Hint... it's because a large group of certain people haven't been wearing masks...)

The virus has mutated so much because it was designed to do so....
There's that...
BUT a large group of certain people???
Mutations are from the UK, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Peru and India... so far...
Research and READ... NPR news feb 2021
This man had living, growing virus in his body for five months, Li says. The same infection lasted for five months.
"That is one of the remarkable aspects of this case," Li says. "In fact, he was highly infectious even five months after the initial diagnosis."

This man had a severe autoimmune disease that required him to take drugs to suppress his immune system. So his body couldn't fight off the coronavirus infection as well as a healthy person could. He would get better for a while, and then the virus would counterattack. He would fall sick again. Eventually, he ended up in the intensive care unit. He passed away five months after the initial diagnosis. Li couldn't believe what they found. "I was shocked," he says. "When I saw the virus sequences, I knew that we were dealing with something completely different and potentially very important."

The sequences showed Li and his team that the virus was changing very quickly inside the man's body. The virus wasn't picking up just one or two mutations at a time. But rather, it acquired a whole cluster of more than 20 mutations. Scientists had never seen SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19, mutate so quickly during the whole pandemic. The sets of mutations weren't exactly identical, but they shared important characteristics. They both had about 20 mutations, and they shared several key ones, including a mutation (N501Y) known to help the virus bind more tightly to human cells and another mutation (E484K) known to help the virus evade antibody detection.

Since Li and his colleagues published their findings, several other teams have reported similar cases in which the virus evolved rapidly inside an immunocompromised person with a chronic coronavirus infection.
"So we have a number of examples, around the planet, in which patients' viruses suddenly have a whole mess of new mutations all at once," says virologist Jeremy Luban at the University of Massachusetts Medical School. And other cases have likely gone undetected, he says.
So scientists are starting to think the two phenomena could be related. That perhaps the new variants arose inside people similar to the man in Boston - that is, people who are immunocompromised and have long-term coronavirus infections.

"I think that's the leading theory," Luban says.

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WTF: The CDC link says nothing of what you claim. Goddamn you people are fucking STUPI

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) announced on July 27, 2021 that it will adjust its advice to recommend that vaccinated people in substantial or high transmission areas of COVID-19 (defined below) wear masks in indoor public spaces. This GUIDEANCE WILL SUBSTANTIALLY ALTER the CDC's May 13 guidance that largely exempted fully vaccinated individuals from the indoor mask requirement. There has been no change in the outdoor masking recommendations at this time. In changing its masking recommendations, the CDC asserts that current scientific information indicates that the DELTA VARIANT CAN SPREAD DESPITE VACCINE STATUS, warranting an adjustment to its prior guidance.

Below is a summary of the updated guidance based on the media telebriefing:

In public indoor settings in areas of substantial or high transmission, all are to wear masks - INCLUDING FULLY VACCINATED INDIVIDUALS like Cole.

All individuals in K-12 schools must wear a mask, regardless of vaccination status, including teachers, staff, and visitors.

There should be a continuing effort to strongly encourage vaccination to reduce the spread of COVID-19, including the delta variant.

Community leaders should encourage universal masking and vaccination nationwide, regardless of whether or not in a substantial or high transmission area.



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Edited: 07/29/2021 at 10:22 AM by somebodyelse
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Greensleeves

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Can you imagine nobodyelse's chaotic bubble? He/she seems to straddle reality and Qrump world trying to bend fact to his/her fiction. Truth is lies, transparency is obfuscation, flat and onshore is six foot and glassy.

Hey Qook, what are you trying to convey?
 07/29/2021 12:40 PM
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Pagerow

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WTF, you are 100% right.

The thing that dumb-bodyelse doesn't get, is that if the virus can't jump to a new host, then it fails to pass on any mutation it may have... halting any further mutating.

Proving that masks work.

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And before you bash Mayhew as a liberal shrew there is this:

In October 2018, Mary Mayhew was hired by the administration of President Donald Trump to run Medicaid, but she resigned less than three months later for a new post under Florida Gov.-elect Ron DeSantis. In a statement, Mayhew said she was "grateful" for the federal job and that the Trump administration's "vision for state flexibility" in the Medicaid program made her want to return to administer programs at the state level.[5] On January 4, 2019, DeSantis tapped Mayhew to be Florida's Chief Medicaid officer. She replaced Justin Senior. On May 1, 2019, she was confirmed by the Florida Senate with a 26 - 13 vote.[6]
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