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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/03/2021 10:32 PM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/17/2021 06:39 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tom - 12/17/2021 06:43 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Cole - 12/17/2021 06:48 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/17/2021 07:58 AM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tpapablo - 12/16/2021 06:40 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Cole - 12/16/2021 07:19 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - sandi - 12/16/2021 08:44 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - crankit - 12/16/2021 10:00 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - nukeh2o - 12/16/2021 02:37 AM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tom - 12/05/2021 09:26 AM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - HAPDigital - 12/05/2021 11:30 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/05/2021 12:21 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tom - 12/05/2021 02:22 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - dingpatch - 12/05/2021 03:03 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tom - 12/05/2021 05:26 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tpapablo - 12/06/2021 07:39 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tom - 12/07/2021 01:59 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Cole - 12/07/2021 05:23 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/07/2021 05:34 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Cole - 12/07/2021 05:44 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - follydude - 12/07/2021 06:15 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/07/2021 11:13 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/07/2021 11:14 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - follydude - 12/07/2021 08:07 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - sandi - 12/17/2021 08:29 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tom - 12/17/2021 08:36 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/17/2021 08:52 AM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/17/2021 10:58 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - sandi - 12/17/2021 11:04 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/17/2021 11:27 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tom - 12/17/2021 05:14 PM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/17/2021 09:18 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - sandi - 12/17/2021 09:20 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Cole - 12/17/2021 09:00 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - sandi - 04/30/2022 06:05 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/07/2021 09:43 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tom - 12/08/2021 02:36 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tom - 12/08/2021 02:52 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/08/2021 05:29 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Cole - 12/08/2021 05:40 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/08/2021 05:48 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Cole - 12/08/2021 05:56 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - follydude - 12/08/2021 06:48 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/08/2021 07:37 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - follydude - 12/08/2021 07:45 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/08/2021 07:55 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - follydude - 12/09/2021 05:59 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/09/2021 09:39 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - follydude - 12/10/2021 03:25 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Bamboo - 12/10/2021 04:30 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/10/2021 08:09 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - OBX - 12/10/2021 08:27 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Cole - 12/10/2021 10:32 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/10/2021 11:39 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/08/2021 07:38 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Cole - 12/09/2021 04:25 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/09/2021 03:34 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - RiddleMe - 12/08/2021 04:04 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/08/2021 04:07 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - theglide - 12/08/2021 04:33 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - sandi - 12/08/2021 06:27 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/08/2021 09:31 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tom - 12/08/2021 06:44 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/17/2021 07:52 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/17/2021 09:14 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/18/2021 04:24 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Cole - 12/18/2021 05:23 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/18/2021 06:28 AM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tom - 12/20/2021 06:00 PM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/20/2021 06:16 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - sandi - 12/20/2021 06:19 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - follydude - 12/20/2021 06:22 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - follydude - 12/20/2021 06:25 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/20/2021 06:35 PM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - sandi - 12/22/2021 09:15 PM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - CurtisEflush - 12/31/2021 10:05 AM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 12/31/2021 03:15 PM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - tom - 01/03/2022 04:38 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Bamboo - 01/03/2022 05:44 PM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - CurtisEflush - 01/19/2022 07:06 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 01/19/2022 07:37 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - sandi - 01/19/2022 08:03 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - CurtisEflush - 01/19/2022 08:36 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 01/19/2022 11:05 AM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - sandi - 01/01/2022 10:22 PM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - RiddleMe - 01/19/2022 12:31 PM  
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 The sinister nature of electric cars   - CurtisEflush - 04/29/2022 07:05 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - Fish Killer - 04/29/2022 07:45 PM  
 The sinister nature of electric cars   - sandi - 04/30/2022 12:34 AM  
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The sinister nature of electric cars
By Jerold Levoritz
December 2, 2021

The Democrats are doing everything they can to get Americans into electric cars. However, those cars come with the risk of a serious loss of power - not just for the car, but for those who buy those cars.

We have to begin with asking, why is the governing pushing electric vehicles? And it's not just cars; it's also trucks. Why are they ignoring hybrid vehicles? If something happens to the electric guts of a properly designed hybrid car, the vehicle can limp along with its smaller gas engine until it reaches safety. What happens to a fully electric vehicle if its electrical system fails? Nothing, of course! You're stuck. All you have is a hunk of metal and plastic. And if you run out of electricity while driving, you can't just get a gallon gas can to fill the tank until you get to the nearest service station. Again, you're stuck.

The next question is, "Are electric cars cheaper than gas cars?" No, they cannot be cheaper, and that's even if you run them on renewables. Take solar energy, for example. Even if sunlight is free, the laws of thermodynamics still control.

Every time energy changes form, there is a loss factor. Sunlight impinging on solar cells changes only 14 - 47% of the energy to electricity. The forty-seven percent figure is state-of-the-art, so it is not available for everyday use.

Electricity is then stored in chemical-based car batteries (with a loss). And then chemical energy is reconverted back to electricity (with a loss) and finally to mechanical energy, where the tire rubber meets the road (with a loss). At a guess, not more than 5% of the original sun power turns the wheels of an E.V. That's awful. What this means is that it is more efficient to run a gas-powered vehicle.

You can do similar analyses with other renewables, whether wind or water power. They simply aren't efficient.

Image: Broken down Tesla outside Berlin. Photo by Ralf Roletschek

Moreover, renewables are available intermittently (when the sun shines, the wind blows, or the water flows). Because we want to drive when those power sources aren't immediately available, we will have to store excess sunlight in chemicals or in other ways, always remembering that storage and later reconversion is never free. And we will always have to maintain fossil fuel backup plants in case of renewables' failure.

This energy loss is not a secret. Smart people know about energy losses. Why, then, do so many favor a less efficient mode of transportation?

This analysis begins by recognizing that these smart people are fully aware of the above two points - namely, that fully electric vehicles are a riskier transport system compared to hybrids, and renewable power is a less efficient use of limited energy resources than gasoline.

Given this information, it is time for our conspiracy theory. By favoring a transportation system that can fail at a single point, we confer upon those in power the ability to shut down an entire civilization. And even if they don't completely shut it down, the price of electricity will be centrally controlled, allowing a chokehold on all the people all the time.

Redundancy is more expensive than efficiency, but redundancy at least leaves options. With our advanced understanding of complex systems today, no engineer would knowingly structure a system where failure at a single point makes everything inoperative for the foreseeable future. One broken gear in a clock makes it useless for its purpose, but we can buy another clock. Remaking a resilient transportation system is a herculean task.

The proper conclusion here is that society, meaning each and every one of us, should fight like hell before we allow such catastrophic vulnerabilities to be built into our future. One EMP explosion will eliminate most of the affected population within six months - and it won't be pleasant. Starvation is a particularly nasty way to end our days. And all the time we are starving to death, we'll have time to think how stupid we were to allow such things to be done to us.

Why would anyone trust the government to look after our welfare? Just don't do it. Just don't allow it! Just say no to E.V.s! Long live carburetors!

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That is especially stupid, even for Gary.

They (who ever they are) can shut down civilization? Fear, fear and more fear. Republicans are easier to control than a sock puppet.

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FK, you need a whole team of psychiatrists.

I have an Electric Car. I love it.

The Solar Power on our roof keeps it charged.

It runs great. Feels solid on the hwy.

You're living in fear of change, dude. And everything changes.

Do us all a favor. See a doctor or two.
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We switched our water heater from gas to electric too.
 12/04/2021 10:19 AM
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Just to produce a gallon of gasoline, you need 5 gallons of crude oil. Think about what it takes to explore, drill, pump and transport the crude. Think about the energy expended in the process from exploration all the way to the gas station.

Talk about energy loss.

This douche would have us all in horse drawn carriages.

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First off, i love my ICE engines and don't see an end of me of using gasoline/petro products in my life time...cars, boats, airplanes...all these use petro products as fuel and lubricants.

But, we should be mixing our fuels...electricity, LP, gasoline, diesel, bio-fuels...all have a place.
i had a truck that was rigged for natural gas and it was awesome. Used it in a place where getting CNG at the gas station wasn't hard. And it works great in snowy/freezing climates with minimal drama, only issue is only got about 150-175 miles out of a tank.
I'd love to have diesel Toyota hi-luxe pickup...have driven them in other countries and they are fk'ing bullet proof (ok, not literally... )

Ironically it takes 3-6 kWh to make each gallon of gas. The number varies depending on the season and the refinery.
Typical electric car efficiency: 300 Watt-hours/mile
Average EV distance on 6 kWh: 6000 watt-hours/mile / 300 Watt-hours/mile = 20 miles

So for every gallon of gasoline used a Eco EV could be drive about 20 miles.

There are other issues with EVs...but they will be worked out. All the big manufacturers are committing to EVs in the 2024-2030 time frame.

Hell, Dodge is already talking about making a 1200+ Hp halo car. That is insane. It will put any of the current Hellcat variants in the dust at the race track.

The Tesla Plaid has a hair over 1000 hp.
I've seen them at the drag strip and they are stupid easy to drive and stupid fast for a stock production car. Stock they run 9.2xx seconds every time on street tires and they don't care what the density altitude is at all. They are no shit fast.
I could teach a 12 year old to drive a Plaid and make sub 10 second 1/4 mile passes in an afternoon.

As a reference a well sorted Dodge Hellcat will run in the low 10's. a Z06 in the high 9's, and a mustang GT500 around 10.xx if they can keep it going straight.

Personally, I am looking forward to the evolution of the electrics and want to see what Dodge and the others are going to bring out....the performance numbers will be impressive.

But, the fun factor and theater of smoking tires, and screaming engines is going to be gone. That is the biggest drawback i see.

For a local family hauling car any of the current EV cars would do great, not sure i would want to cross country an EV right now.

Stay open minded.
Nobody is going to take your gasoline away, and the advent of EVs is breaking previous performance boundaries and as the tech develops it is going to be better for us as a community.


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 12/18/2021 08:46 AM
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it seems rather simple.

if you don't like electric cars, don't buy one.

this is America. We're free to drive what we like and like what we drive.

relax, fBomb.

you have your opinion. other people have a different opinion.

and that's FREEDOM.

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Cole, thank you for the nice compliment! Fun weekend of surf, hope you scored too. Fish - you didn't finish your math problem? Good progress though, is see errors corrected etc.; don't give up now. The usual advice given at this point would be: if your extrapolation isn't passing the smell test, interpolate! Get in there close up with the data and see what it's telling you, then try again. You can do this!

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Originally posted by: tom

Cole, thank you for the nice compliment! Fun weekend of surf, hope you scored too. Fish - you didn't finish your math problem? Good progress though, is see errors corrected etc.; don't give up now. The usual advice given at this point would be: if your extrapolation isn't passing the smell test, interpolate! Get in there close up with the data and see what it's telling you, then try again. You can do this!


You are welcome, though it's more truth than complimentary. I played soccer in the morning, surfed and then went to a punk rock show with my son and some friends; a most excellent weekend.



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^Woot!^ Morning hi tide sesh, yoga class with Mrs. tom, yard work then afternoon low tider! I AM a sore old man this morning.

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I heard the higher tide is working in the Sat beach area again. I need to be more diligent in my morning checks; Cocoa Beach is horrible at the higher tides at the moment.

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Originally posted by: tom
Fish - you didn't finish your math problem?


You didn't post a link to Ford Lightning's charging times for a commercial site.

You also need to post where all of that electricity is produced and with what fuel.

You really are a fool.



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Why is beachside gas and diesel +- .25 per gallon cheaper than the mainland, if beachsiders are so pollution sensitive it should be $% a gallon to curb use!

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: tom

Fish - you didn't finish your math problem?




You didn't post a link to Ford Lightning's charging times for a commercial site.



You also need to post where all of that electricity is produced and with what fuel.



You really are a fool.


So if electricity comes from oil, that's bad. But if you put gas into your gas guzzler and boat, that's good? Is that what you are saying.? My Electricity comes from Solar Panels.
Are you self contradicting? A moron? Confused? Do you not like Solar Panels? Do you know where satellites get their power? Do you know how the internet works?
. So Glad ur here. you're a funny guy.
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Originally posted by: sandi

So if electricity comes from oil, that's bad. But if you put gas into your gas guzzler and boat, that's good?


I didn't make that claim.

I dont give a shit about electric vehicles as they pollute (creation to end) as much if not more than fossil fuel cars.

Thats a fact!

YOU AND YOUR ILK are trying to spout that electric vehicles are soooo 'green' and dont pollute.

YOUR FULL OF SHIT!

Most EVERYONE that uses an electric vehicle gets the electricity from the grid. That grid is MOSTLY FOSSIL FUEL!

FACT!

Yes you might have gotten some of your electricity from your solar panels BUT TO MAKE THOSE PANELS GENERATED RADICAL POLLUTION!

What do you do when you are away from home and need a charge?

YOU GET IT FROM FOSSIL FUEL!

So all you really are you POS..... is a hypocrite.





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you really have a hard time with change , don't you?

The planet is going ELECTRIC.

is it perfect? is it totally green? are there charging stations available everywhere, yet.

NO! but here we go! regardless of whether you like it or not.

the repubs just stopped, 'BUILD BACK BETTER." idiots. that would have made getting charges easier. and help a lot of other infrasrtucture. however, it's only a matter of time. it's inevitable. lil' f'er can yell and scream and casll people names. it doesn't matter. ELECTRIC IS HERE TO STAY! ELECTRIC IS GROWING! LIKE YOUR FOSSIL FUEL, YOU ARE A DINOSAUR.. and, you pollute, alot more than electric!

thanks for the comedy of errors.

by the way, I sell Solar. my customers are very happy.

and I buy and sell oil on the market, to pay for my ELECTRIC CARS. it's perfect!

lol



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Originally posted by: sandi
FK, you need a whole team of psychiatrists.
I have an Electric Car. I love it.
The Solar Power on our roof keeps it charged.
It runs great. Feels solid on the hwy.
You're living in fear of change, dude. And everything changes.
Do us all a favor. See a doctor or two.


WHAT A TOTAL STUPID FUCK YOU ACTUALLY ARE!



Most people do NOT have solar panels on their roof!



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Considering my electricity is from Solar Panels, and I've never been caught in the snow, because I live in Florida...

YOU ARE A MORON.

but we know that....


I do own stock in a couple gas companies, so when the price goes up, I make money.

and you are a MORON.
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Originally posted by: sandi

Considering my electricity is from Solar Panels, and I've never been caught in the snow, because I live in Florida...



YOU ARE A MORON.



but we know that....





I do own stock in a couple gas companies, so when the price goes up, I make money.



and you are a MORON.


YO...SHITFORBRAINS!

NOT EVERYBODY LIVES IN FLORIODA...YOU STUPID FUCK!

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learn to read moron.

i said, "I" own an electric car, and "I" love it.

i never said they are a good choice for those who live in areas that get a lot of snow.

but i would buy an electric snowmobile...

you with me, MORON?

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see a doctor, please.

soon.

DO NOT GET THE COVID VACCCINE!
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What a great post, Bamboo!

Thanks!

As for Sandi

Go for it!

I have a neighbor who got solar-powered and some turd-like guy like Gary got all douchy and was like "whaddabout you Honda suv?"

So, he got a Tesla Powerwall and 2 Teslas for he & his lady. All power solar-powered.

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Originally posted by: sandi

see a doctor, please.



soon.



DO NOT GET THE COVID VACCCINE!



Also, I get a fat Fedral Tax Credit for going Electric.
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Well, looking back, I suspect fish found the answer to the F150 question. And yes, in order to compete with the X, the Hummer and the R1T, Ford will provide a 300 mi range for the F150. Not that you get 300 miles when towing. Guy I know tows his Airstream with his X, says he uses 150mi as his stop and charge number. So, about 300 mi to Marathon, one or two charges. I say two because when Mrs tom and I go to Duck Key, we stop twice. We're old so twice at 40 mins for EV vs twice at 20 mins for ICE, the EV adds 40 mins. Easy peasy.

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Also, anyone else following Lucid? 500 mi range. 0-60 in 2.5. 300 mi charge in 20 min. oh my. Elon who? https://www.roadandtrack.com/n...s-specs-hp-price-info/

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Well, looking back, I suspect fish found the answer to the F150 question. [IMG][/IMG] And yes, in order to compete with the X, the Hummer and the R1T, Ford will provide a 300 mi range for the F150. Not that you get 300 miles when towing. Guy I know tows his Airstream with his X, says he uses 150mi as his stop and charge number. So, about 300 mi to Marathon, one or two charges. I say two because when Mrs tom and I go to Duck Key, we stop twice. We're old [IMG][/IMG] so twice at 40 mins for EV vs twice at 20 mins for ICE, the EV adds 40 mins. Easy peasy. [IMG][/IMG]


Lie^^^^ (it takes more than 40 minutes to charge and just getting to the charging station requires an off main road excursion. Your time at the the charge station is only producing an 80% charge. Once at the charging station jockeying for a position 'with a boat' is laughable. the bullshit 40 minutes is well over an hour. Furthermore when you get there one has to get the boat in the water and get ice and groceries etc. When done a THIRD charge is needed....soooo in fact tom IS FULL OF SHIT!)

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So predictable. Swearing, all caps, bold, accusations. Poor fish. Merry Christmas Ebenezer!

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Originally posted by: tom

So predictable. Swearing, all caps, bold, accusations. Poor fish. [IMG][/IMG] Merry Christmas Ebenezer!


That phony crap^^^...soooo predictable and doesn't excuse your lies.

Poooor tom.....live with it.

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Hey! Three out of four, well done. A little coaching on the last one, accusations? Try something like "I disagree ... because ..."? You got this!

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Originally posted by: tom

Hey! Three out of four, well done. A little coaching on the last one, accusations? Try something like "I disagree ... because ..."? You got this!


That phony crap^^^...soooo predictable and doesn't excuse your lies.

Poooor tom.....LIVE WITH IT!


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I disagree because^.

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: tom



So predictable. Swearing, all caps, bold, accusations. Poor fish. [IMG][/IMG] Merry Christmas Ebenezer!




That phony crap^^^...soooo predictable and doesn't excuse your lies.



Poooor tom.....live with it.


Did you really edit your response, say you didn't say what you said, then call Tom the liar? lol



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Originally posted by: Cole

Originally posted by: Fish Killer



Originally posted by: tom







So predictable. Swearing, all caps, bold, accusations. Poor fish. [IMG][/IMG] Merry Christmas Ebenezer!








That phony crap^^^...soooo predictable and doesn't excuse your lies.







Poooor tom.....live with it.




Did you really edit your response, say you didn't say what you said, then call Tom the liar? lol


tom is a liar due to the fact that he lied.....

Maybe your simple brain can figure out where he lied.

It's blatantly obvious....

Oh wait...you're stupid...so all bets are off.

I'll give you a hint...it has to do with his math.





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Did you edit what he said out of your response? Yes or no?

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Originally posted by: Cole

Did you edit what he said out of your response? Yes or no?


Nope:

Originally posted by: tom
So predictable. Swearing, all caps, bold, accusations. Poor fish. Merry Christmas Ebenezer!


Originally posted by: tom
Hey! Three out of four, well done. A little coaching on the last one, accusations? Try something like "I disagree ... because ..."? You got this!


Originally posted by: tom

Well, looking back, I suspect fish found the answer to the F150 question. And yes, in order to compete with the X, the Hummer and the R1T, Ford will provide a 300 mi range for the F150. Not that you get 300 miles when towing. Guy I know tows his Airstream with his X, says he uses 150mi as his stop and charge number. So, about 300 mi to Marathon, one or two charges. I say two because when Mrs tom and I go to Duck Key, we stop twice. We're old so twice at 40 mins for EV vs twice at 20 mins for ICE, the EV adds 40 mins. Easy peasy.


^^^And this last one is tom's lie fest.

SO FUCK YOU COLESLAW!


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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: Cole



Did you edit what he said out of your response? Yes or no?




Nope:



Originally posted by: tom

So predictable. Swearing, all caps, bold, accusations. Poor fish. [IMG][/IMG] Merry Christmas Ebenezer!




Originally posted by: tom

Hey! Three out of four, well done. A little coaching on the last one, accusations? Try something like "I disagree ... because ..."? You got this! [IMG][/IMG]




Originally posted by: tom



Well, looking back, I suspect fish found the answer to the F150 question. [IMG][/IMG] And yes, in order to compete with the X, the Hummer and the R1T, Ford will provide a 300 mi range for the F150. Not that you get 300 miles when towing. Guy I know tows his Airstream with his X, says he uses 150mi as his stop and charge number. So, about 300 mi to Marathon, one or two charges. I say two because when Mrs tom and I go to Duck Key, we stop twice. We're old [IMG][/IMG] so twice at 40 mins for EV vs twice at 20 mins for ICE, the EV adds 40 mins. Easy peasy. [IMG][/IMG]




^^^And this last one is tom's lie fest.



SO FUCK YOU COLESLAW!


you really curse a lot. do you have anger problems? no peace in your sorry life? Try Jesus.. Only He can give you True Peace.
And, my Federal Tax Credit. That gives me Peace. It's alot of money. Money I can put into more Solar Panels.
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Originally posted by: sandi

learn to read moron.



i said, "I" own an electric car, and "I" love it.



i never said they are a good choice for those who live in areas that get a lot of snow.



but i would buy an electric snowmobile...



you with me, MORON?


LEARN TO READ YOUR OWN SHIT!

YOU ARE BACKING ELECTRIC CARS!

PERIOD!

THAT MAKES YOU AN ASSHOLE!



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lol
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1, Musk has said that if we really want to go "EV", we need to double our electric power generation capability, ASAP !!!

2. EV production causes just as much "hazard and waste" as regular autos do.

3. There are those who clearly state that the future of "recycling batteries" is going to be one, big, major, hazardous waste problem.

Win/win or loose/loose ???

And, it still cracks-me-up about the old "fuel cell thingy". Well sure, the "fuel cell" will eliminate the need for gasoline BUT, , , , just where do you think the needed "hydrocarbon" is going to come from ?? Oil wells !!!!!!
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: sandi



learn to read moron.







i said, "I" own an electric car, and "I" love it.







i never said they are a good choice for those who live in areas that get a lot of snow.







but i would buy an electric snowmobile...







you with me, MORON?




LEARN TO READ YOUR OWN SHIT!



YOU ARE BACKING ELECTRIC CARS!



PERIOD!



THAT MAKES YOU AN ASSHOLE!


your opinion is meaningless to me, except that it's actually sad, but funny.
I'll be getting a new 4 WD Subaru Electric, when they have some on the lot.
2022. Highest ground clearance in it's class. And other goodies.
Possibly a VW. But, doubtful. Mostly with $ I made on Oil, playing the market.
How ironic.
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Sube Solterra: all wheel drive, 8+" of clearance, 220 mile range, 1hr/80% charge. Woot! Go Sube!

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Sube Solterra: all wheel drive, 8+" of clearance, 220 mile range, 1hr/80% charge. Woot! Go Sube!


Will it tow a 9000lb boat?

How about a 10,000lb travel trailer?

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The Solterra is a small SUV, you pudding brained baboon.

A Ford F-150 Hybrid V6 can pull 12,500 pounds.

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer How about a 10,000lb minnow mangler?
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The Santa Cruz reminds me of a reincarnation of the old Subaru Brat, but done better.
The new Hyundai and Kia cars have become really good. The Kia Stinger GT is a hoot to drive and might be in my daughter's future.

And you are right, automobiles have niches. The EVs fill a niche as do the hybrids.
BTW - Toyota has won the 24 hours of Le Mans 4 times in a row with hybrid race cars w/ top speeds in excess of 200mph.
The Tesla Plaid is a 9.2x second @ 150mph car right off the showroom floor...on stock tires, and you can get yours today and have one of the quickest production cars on the road that smokes cars that cost 10x more.

The best Heavy consumer towing vehicles are diesel and will remain diesel for a long time to come. It is their niche.

The big gas V8s are going away in a few years, except for maybe some specialty cars.
I'm thinking of ordering a new dodge this year, if so would probably be the last new V8 I ever buy.

It is nice to have options.

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Originally posted by: Bamboo The Santa Cruz reminds me of a reincarnation of the old Subaru Brat, but done better. The new Hyundai and Kia cars have become really good. The Kia Stinger GT is a hoot to drive and might be in my daughter's future. And you are right, automobiles have niches. The EVs fill a niche as do the hybrids. BTW - Toyota has won the 24 hours of Le Mans 4 times in a row with hybrid race cars w/ top speeds in excess of 200mph. The Tesla Plaid is a 9.2x second @ 150mph car right off the showroom floor...on stock tires, and you can get yours today and have one of the quickest production cars on the road that smokes cars that cost 10x more. The best Heavy consumer towing vehicles are diesel and will remain diesel for a long time to come. It is their niche. The big gas V8s are going away in a few years, except for maybe some specialty cars. I'm thinking of ordering a new dodge this year, if so would probably be the last new V8 I ever buy. It is nice to have options.
It is indeed. I would like to keep those options. Problem is that the gov't seems intent on taking them away.

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F-150 Lightning has 10K towing capacity. Yep. Options. Hey Bamboo, I hear lots of racket about heavy commercial going toward natural gas. As always, infrastructure problems with fuel, but for engine maintenance issues, pretty nice stuff. Cummins seriously on board.

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Originally posted by: tom

F-150 Lightning has 10K towing capacity.


How far will it tow my 9k boat?

I want actual miles before I have to plug it in an ELECTRIC SOCKET! (...with electricity that is produced by fossil fuel.)

(LMAO: "What is the range of the Ford Lightning when towing?
Image result for f-150 lightning towing capacity
We Bet F-150 Lightning's Range Is under 100 Miles when Towing at the Max. Ford promises EPA ratings of 230 and 300 miles, but towing and hauling near the claimed 10,000-pound maximum is going to seriously cut into those figures.")

...can you imagine having to stop every 100 miles for HOW LONG?

Answer: "F-150 Lightning Charge Time

Ford says this unit will fully recharge the standard-range battery in 14 hours and the extended range battery in 19 hours. A 48-amp Ford Connected wall mount charge station is optional. It requires a 240-volt source and can charge the batteries in 10 and 13 hours, respectively. Oct 4, 2021"

Soooooo...to tow my boat down to Marathon Florida this truck would have to stop how many times and charge for how long?

Driving Distance from Melbourne, FL to Marathon, Fl:

The total driving distance from Melbourne, FL to Marathon, FL is 285 miles or 459 kilometers.

Soooooo...I would have to stop two times on the way down AND then recharge a dead battery as soon as I get there!

Thats 42 hours of charge time....to get to Marathon Florida!

Also...where do I stay for the two (2) 14 hour charges on the way down?


AND I CAN HAVE THIS^^^ FUCKING NIGHTMARE ALL FOR THE LOW LOW PRICE OF BETWEEN 50K AND 90K! (...don't forget the not-listed, unspoken taxpayer subsidy of 15k or so!)

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Hey Tom,
I'm not surprised. It really is a good fuel, biggest downside in operation is knowing where the CNG stations are.
The truck i had was already rigged up for it, but the conversion isn't hard and it is possible to have a duel fuel set up nowadays. Where i was using it there were a bunch of CNG stations (California and Utah) and filling up was really cheap.

Lots of fleet and municipal vehicles use it because it is clean burning, reliable, no engine issues, etc. Heck, The oil looked pretty damn good when doing oil changes, it is clean stuff in an ICE. The long haul commercial guys would have to be able to run routes where CNG is available. I think there are some new tankage tech that allows for more fuel load.

In any case my experiences were very positive and I'd run CNG again, but stations are not real common in this area of Florida.

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Yep, when I was a young guy, my Dad bought a dual fueler. Dodge camper van with the 383; they lived in CA then and fueling was right around the corner. I ran that dang thing all up and down the coast and through the mountains, etc. Got home and changed the oil and I swear it was almost the same color as when I put it in, still transparent, literally no soot. I was amazed. Good times. Um, the surf, the skiing and the oil change, haha. On a side note, that enhanced an interest for me in fuels and tribology that landed me some additional contracts at Langley. Also good times, and still fun to keep up with.

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Tribology! Ha! not exactly a word one hears every day.

Friction, can't live with it, can't live without it - one of my old profs used to say. At the time we thought he was referring to something else.

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Either way, it's all about the friction... Woot!

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: tom



F-150 Lightning has 10K towing capacity.




How far will it tow my 9k boat?



I want actual miles before I have to plug it in an ELECTRIC SOCKET! (...with electricity that is produced by fossil fuel.)



(LMAO: "What is the range of the Ford Lightning when towing?

Image result for f-150 lightning towing capacity

We Bet F-150 Lightning's Range Is under 100 Miles when Towing at the Max. Ford promises EPA ratings of 230 and 300 miles, but towing and hauling near the claimed 10,000-pound maximum is going to seriously cut into those figures.")



...can you imagine having to stop every 100 miles for HOW LONG?



Answer: "F-150 Lightning Charge Time



Ford says this unit will fully recharge the standard-range battery in 14 hours and the extended range battery in 19 hours. A 48-amp Ford Connected wall mount charge station is optional. It requires a 240-volt source and can charge the batteries in 10 and 13 hours, respectively. Oct 4, 2021"



Soooooo...to tow my boat down to Marathon Florida this truck would have to stop how many times and charge for how long?



Driving Distance from Melbourne, FL to Marathon, Fl:


The total driving distance from Melbourne, FL to Marathon, FL is 285 miles or 459 kilometers.



Soooooo...I would have to stop two times on the way down AND then recharge a dead battery as soon as I get there!



Thats 42 hours of charge time....to get to Marathon Florida!



Also...where do I stay for the two (2) 14 hour charges on the way down?




AND I CAN HAVE THIS^^^ FUCKING NIGHTMARE ALL FOR THE LOW LOW PRICE OF BETWEEN 50K AND 90K! (...don't forget the not-listed, unspoken taxpayer subsidy of 15k or so!)


No one will answer you moronic questions, because no one cares what you think. You are a big fat annoying mosquito that's begging for the swatter.



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Originally posted by: Cole

Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: tom

F-150 Lightning has 10K towing capacity.


How far will it tow my 9k boat?

I want actual miles before I have to plug it in an ELECTRIC SOCKET! (...with electricity that is produced by fossil fuel.)

(LMAO: "What is the range of the Ford Lightning when towing?

Image result for f-150 lightning towing capacity

We Bet F-150 Lightning's Range Is under 100 Miles when Towing at the Max. Ford promises EPA ratings of 230 and 300 miles, but towing and hauling near the claimed 10,000-pound maximum is going to seriously cut into those figures.")

...can you imagine having to stop every 100 miles for HOW LONG?

Answer: "F-150 Lightning Charge Time

Ford says this unit will fully recharge the standard-range battery in 14 hours and the extended range battery in 19 hours. A 48-amp Ford Connected wall mount charge station is optional. It requires a 240-volt source and can charge the batteries in 10 and 13 hours, respectively. Oct 4, 2021"

Soooooo...to tow my boat down to Marathon Florida this truck would have to stop how many times and charge for how long?

Driving Distance from Melbourne, FL to Marathon, Fl:


The total driving distance from Melbourne, FL to Marathon, FL is 285 miles or 459 kilometers.

Soooooo...I would have to stop two times on the way down AND then recharge a dead battery as soon as I get there!

Thats 42 hours of charge time....to get to Marathon Florida!

Also...where do I stay for the two (2) 14 hour charges on the way down?


AND I CAN HAVE THIS^^^ FUCKING NIGHTMARE ALL FOR THE LOW LOW PRICE OF BETWEEN 50K AND 90K! (...don't forget the not-listed, unspoken taxpayer subsidy of 15k or so!)


No one will answer you moronic questions,




YO...SHITFORBRAINS PROG COMMIE LIAR.....

IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY READ.... THE ANSWERS ARE ALREADY THERE!

WHAT A FUCKING MORON LOW IQ IDIOT YOU ARE!

FOOL!

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Poor fish, about 40 mins for 80% charge at any of the commercial charge stations. The app even directs you to them. And before you ask, there are like 20 in the Brevard alone, even more as you go south. Doh.

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IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY READ

Read unibomber speak? No thanks, it's not worth the effort.



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Originally posted by: Cole

IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY READ



Read unibomber speak? No thanks, it's not worth the effort.


Well...we all know that you can't read....

Had you read what was posted you would have known that all the answers were already there....

Coleslaw ALWAYS jumps to conclusions BEFORE getting any actual facts!

Sooooooo........carry on.

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Poor fish, about 40 mins for 80% charge at any of the commercial charge stations. The app even directs you to them. And before you ask, there are like 20 in the Brevard alone, even more as you go south. Doh. [IMG][/IMG]


Sooo if your bullshit is actually correct I will need 4 charges to get to marathon.....

Thats an extra 200 minutes added to my regular 6 hour tow.

Thats an extra 3.33 hours!

Thats like literally 50% more time added to my trip!

Sooooooo...a 10 hour trip to have MY TRUCK ready to go (80% charged when I get there)....IF YOUR BULLSHIT IS CORRECT. (it's not)


^^^^This is why you get the BULLSHIT flag.

It's been TOSSED till you prove otherwise.


"Currently available DC fast chargers require inputs of 480+ volts and 100+ amps (50-60 kW) and can produce a full charge for an EV with a 100-mile range battery in slightly more than 30 minutes (178 miles of electric drive per hour of charging...for a 100 mile range battery)."

THE BATTERIES IN THIS TRUCK ARE NOT 100 MILE RANGE BATTERIES.......MORON!

One step further...towing a 9k boat...a full charge might get 100 miles.

An 80% charge...80 miles.

Its 285 miles to Marathon.

Full charge from home gets 100 miles (maybe...towing a 9k boat).

First charge at 80% (50 minutes) might get you 80 miles

(thats 180 miles from home).

Second charge (50 more minutes) might get you 80 more miles.

(thats 260 miles from home)

Third charge (50 more minutes) might get you 80 more miles.

It's only 25 miles to Marathon so you have maybe 55 miles left of your charge.

Thats toast because you have to put the boat in the water...get to the location...unload all your crap. Go get groceries etc...

Your 55 miles is toast.

Fourth charge (50 more minutes)...you now have enough power to get around on Marathon.

4 charges at 50 minutes per charge....200 minutes.

3 hours 33 minutes.

This does not take into account that you wont find a supercharging station EVERY 80 miles...AND you most likely wont find them along the route that you are taking. You will be traveling off your path to get a 'fill up'. This takes more time and more electricity. A LOT MORE!


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Originally posted by: tom Sube Solterra: all wheel drive, 8+" of clearance, 220 mile range, 1hr/80% charge. Woot! Go Sube!
My F250: 4 wheel drive, 14"+ clearance, 400+ mile range, 5 min./100% refueled. And can tow 10,000 lbs. Kind of depends on what your needs are, doesn't it? Think my next "car" will be a Hyundai Santa Cruz. That one checks a lot of boxes for me.

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: tom

Sube Solterra: all wheel drive, 8+" of clearance, 220 mile range, 1hr/80% charge. Woot! Go Sube!


My F250: 4 wheel drive, 14"+ clearance, 400+ mile range, 5 min./100% refueled. And can tow 10,000 lbs.

Kind of depends on what your needs are, doesn't it? Think my next "car" will be a Hyundai Santa Cruz. That one checks a lot of boxes for me.


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they have electric skateboards now too.

I'm in...
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"A Ford F-150 Hybrid V6 can pull 12,500 pounds." On flat ground, and for how long before it blows up--Ford is notorious for failures, the 6.0 (blow) the 5.4 and who can forget the Pinto!

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The sinister nature of electric windmills.........
all the billions of birds.
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: sandi



learn to read moron.







i said, "I" own an electric car, and "I" love it.







i never said they are a good choice for those who live in areas that get a lot of snow.







but i would buy an electric snowmobile...







you with me, MORON?




LEARN TO READ YOUR OWN SHIT!



YOU ARE BACKING ELECTRIC CARS!



PERIOD!



THAT MAKES YOU AN ASSHOLE!


me likey EV's.
they may not be for everyone.
but Good for me.
Good for the enviornment.
You live in Florida FK.
Why don't you get one?
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Ford and Chevy both selling some pretty sinister e-crate motors now. https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...-mach-e-gt-performance

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Was curious. Heater in our little camper is 0.75 kW, usable batt capacity of a Tesla 3 is 75kW, so the batt at full charge would run the heat about 100hrs. Idling a car engine (for heat?) uses about 1/2 gal/hr, so maybe 40 hrs on a 20 gal tank.

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Originally posted by: tom

Was curious. Heater in our little camper is 0.75 kW, usable batt capacity of a Tesla 3 is 75kW, so the batt at full charge would run the heat about 100hrs. Idling a car engine (for heat?) uses about 1/2 gal/hr, so maybe 40 hrs on a 20 gal tank.


That Tesla battery is over 1000 lbs lol
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Originally posted by: tom

Was curious. Heater in our little camper is 0.75 kW, usable batt capacity of a Tesla 3 is 75kW, so the batt at full charge would run the heat about 100hrs. Idling a car engine (for heat?) uses about 1/2 gal/hr, so maybe 40 hrs on a 20 gal tank.


How long will the heater run in a Tesla?
The cabin heater is the only meaningful variable, it can pull 6+ kw at full tilt. So if it's extremely cold and working full time, you're talking maybe 15 hours from full to empty. Nov 16, 2018

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Holy smokes, what a heater! That 6kW would typically heat 400-500 sq ft. Ya, gonna be warm.

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Tom,

I think that I would understand that normal folk like us are going to the "junk yard" and buying batteries from wrecked Prius !?
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Hey Ding, you mean for the crate? A Prius batt isn't going to do much at 3kW, give or take. Hybrids too small. A Bolt batt might, about 60 kW in the first gen.

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Electirc cars are fine. They have their strong points and weak points like most things. It is good that we have a choice. At the moment, ICE vehicle better suits my needs. If that changes, I will have no hesitation about getting an electric vehicle. Are electric vehicles a panacea? Nope. Neither are ICE vehicles. Let the manufacturers build what they want and the people buy what they want.

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Jeeze t, some prog hack your account? ^That's mostly rational.^ Welcome back?

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T-bag is just fighting for the right to roll coal. According to him, Global Warming is a hoax and those who believe it are Libtard fools.

His outdated opinion means nothing.

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Originally posted by: Coleslaw
His outdated opinion means nothing.


Obviously that is patently false.





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Climate change is absolutely real. Tax cuts don't work. Trickle down doesn't work. The world is moving to renewables. The vaccine works. Covid is not a Liberal hoax. LGBTQ are American citizens and get equal rights under the Constitution.

You guys are just whale oil salesmen and Buffalo hunters in the modern age. Your extinction is eminent.

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Electirc cars are fine. They have their strong points and weak points like most things. It is good that we have a choice. At the moment, ICE vehicle better suits my needs. If that changes, I will have no hesitation about getting an electric vehicle. Are electric vehicles a panacea? Nope. Neither are ICE vehicles. Let the manufacturers build what they want and the people buy what they want.




Sorry, sport.

According to the Lying Fish and the other idiots at The American Spectator, electirc (sic) cars are "sinister".

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Originally posted by: tpapablo



Electirc cars are fine. They have their strong points and weak points like most things. It is good that we have a choice. At the moment, ICE vehicle better suits my needs. If that changes, I will have no hesitation about getting an electric vehicle. Are electric vehicles a panacea? Nope. Neither are ICE vehicles. Let the manufacturers build what they want and the people buy what they want.








Sorry, sport.



According to the Lying Fish and the other idiots at The American Spectator, electirc (sic) cars are "sinister".





The Norwegian University of Science and Technology study found greenhouse gas emissions rose dramatically if coal was used to produce the electricity.

Electric car factories also emitted more toxic waste than conventional car factories, their report in the Journal of Industrial Ecology said.

Big impact
The team looked at the life-cycle impact of conventional and electric vehicles.

In essence, they considered how the production, the use and the end-of-life dismantling of a car affects the environment, explained co-author Prof Anders Hammer Stromman.

"The production phase of electric vehicles proved substantially more environmentally intensive," the report said, comparing it to how petrol and diesel cars are made.

"The global warming potential from electric vehicle production is about twice that of conventional vehicles."

In addition, producing batteries and electric motors requires a lot of toxic minerals such as nickel, copper and aluminium.

Hence, the acidification impact is much greater than that of conventional car production.

"Across the other impacts considered in the analysis including potential for effects related to acid rain, airborne particulate matter, smog, human toxicity, ecosystem toxicity and depletion of fossil fuel and mineral resources, electric vehicles consistently perform worse or on par with modern internal combustion engine vehicles, despite virtually zero direct emissions during operation," according to Prof Stromman.

'Counterproductive' efforts
With electric car production being so damaging to the environment, these cars have already polluted a great deal by the time they hit the road, the report says.

In regions where fossil fuels are the main sources of power, electric cars offer no benefits and may even cause more harm, the report said.

"It is counterproductive to promote electric vehicles in regions where electricity is primarily produced from lignite, coal or even heavy oil combustion."

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Electric Cars Aren't Nearly as Green as People Think
Next time you see an electric car or a charging station, keep in mind the emissions involved in producing the battery and the electricity used to keep it running.
Friday, April 26, 2019
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For years, I've imagined how great it would be to own an electric car. Instead of spending almost 40 bucks every week or so on gas, I could just drop by my local outpost and charge my car while I buy organic vegetables.

Wouldn't that be great? Not only for myself but also for the environment? Maybe not.

Although electric cars are a step in the right direction, their production and charging still contribute to CO2 levels, in some cases even more than gas cars.

Shifting Emissions from the Tailpipe to Power Plant
Carbon dioxide emissions don't just come out of a tailpipe. Electric cars emit CO2 both in their production and during their charging. First, the production of the electric batteries requires lithium, cobalt, and manganese. Manufactures end up expending a large amount of energy on mining and processing these raw materials.

According to a new German study from researchers Christoph Buchal, Hans-Dieter Karl, and Hans-Werner Sinn,

For a Tesla battery of 75 kWh, this means an additional CO2 emission of 10 875 kg to 14 625 kg of CO2.

Converted to pounds, these numbers are between 23 thousand and 32 thousand pounds of carbon emissions. For each battery!

Even after the initial production of the battery, many electric cars are charged by power plants that produce electricity by burning coal or gas. According to the US Energy Information Administration, 63 percent of total electricity generation in the United States is created using fossil fuels. If the electricity being used to power the electric cars is being produced using fossil fuels, then using electric cars is simply shifting CO2 emissions from the tailpipe of the car to the electricity power plant.

Electricity from Fossil Fuels
Around the world, different countries have different levels of dependency on fossil fuels for electricity production. For example, according to a 2017 study by Michael Sivak and Brandon Schoettle at the University of Michigan,

On one extreme is Albania (which generates 100% of its electricity from hydroelectric power)... on the other extreme are Botswana and Gibraltar (which generate 100% of their electricity from coal and oil).

Though electric cars may not visibly emit CO2 while driving, don't be fooled. A significant amount of CO2 emissions are produced in manufacturing the battery and in its ongoing charging. According to a 2012 Yale Study,

It is counterproductive to promote EVs in regions where electricity is produced from oil, coal, and lignite combustion.

Misleading Marketing
Imagine if Tesla announced a new "green" airplane that ran completely on electricity. But if the production of the battery emitted tens of thousands of pounds of carbon emissions, and its charging hundreds more, would it really be green? So it is with electric cars.

Next time you see an electric car or a charging station, keep in mind the emissions involved in producing the battery and the electricity used to keep it running.

At the end of the day, the direct comparison between electric cars and gas cars is irrelevant. What really matters is the overall amount of carbon emissions involved in the production, charging, and driving of a car throughout its lifetime. Especially when over half of America's electricity is produced with fossil fuels, it is misleading to propose that electric cars produce "zero emissions."

So next time you see an electric car or a charging station, keep in mind the emissions involved in producing the battery and the electricity used to keep it running. Outward appearances can be deceiving.

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: follydude

Originally posted by: tpapablo

Electirc cars are fine. They have their strong points and weak points like most things. It is good that we have a choice. At the moment, ICE vehicle better suits my needs. If that changes, I will have no hesitation about getting an electric vehicle. Are electric vehicles a panacea? Nope. Neither are ICE vehicles. Let the manufacturers build what they want and the people buy what they want.


Sorry, sport.

According to the Lying Fish and the other idiots at The American Spectator, electirc (sic) cars are "sinister".




The Norwegian University of Science and Technology study found
greenhouse gas emissions rose dramatically if coal was used to produce the electricity.


"It is counterproductive to promote electric vehicles in regions where electricity is primarily produced from lignite, coal or even heavy oil combustion."



Coal is outta here. Nobody is using coal anymore.

What's going on with coal today? Glad you asked.

Coal-fired electricity generation represents 90% of coal consumption in the United States and has more than halved since 2010, with demand falling by one-third between 2018 and 2020. In the European Union, coal-fired electricity generation is disappearing or becoming negligible in an increasing number of countries.


This denier's opinion is based on a shitty premise.

The efficiency will increase. The recycle-ability will increase and the extraction and material will required will become more efficient.

But, if it were up to you, we'd be riding on carriages pulled by horses.


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i'm getting rid of all my electric lights and switching to candles.

all Christmas Lights must be removed. EVEN FOX "news."
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poor fish. The charge times are listed on Ford's website for anyone to see 80% in under an hour at level 3 is kinda industry standard these days. As competitive as Ford is, and being an American auto maker and all, I'd expect nothing less

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poor fish. The charge times are listed on Ford's website for anyone to see [IMG][/IMG] 80% in under an hour at level 3 is kinda industry standard these days. As competitive as Ford is, and being an American auto maker and all, I'd expect nothing less [IMG][/IMG]


Sooo if your bullshit is actually correct I will need 4 charges to get to marathon.....

Thats an extra 200 minutes added to my regular 6 hour tow.

Thats an extra 3.33 hours!

Thats like literally 50% MORE ADDED MY TRIP!

Sooooooo...a 10 hour trip (..have to stop for a piss or some kind of food) to have MY TRUCK ready to go (80% charged when I get there)....

INSTEAD OF A 6 HOUR TRIP.....

FOOL!


OHHHHHH....AND YOUR BULLSHIT ISNT THERE:

http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/

POST A LINK TO COMMERCIAL CHARGING TIMES FOR THE FORD LIGHTENING....

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I'm guessing 6th grade word problems in math were not your forte...

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I'm guessing 6th grade word problems in math were not your forte... [IMG][/IMG]


Yeah...9.33 plus a piss stop equals 10 hours...moron.

You still haven't provided that link.

Didn't think ya could.

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too funny - how long should we let him go on?

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too funny - how long should we let him go on? [IMG][/IMG]


..till you post the Ford F150 Lightening link for charging times at commercial outlets.

We're waiting.....

Fool.

Till then this is whats up:

"Currently available DC fast chargers require inputs of 480+ volts and 100+ amps (50-60 kW) and can produce a full charge for an EV with a 100-mile range battery in slightly more than 30 minutes (178 miles of electric drive per hour of charging...for a 100 mile range battery)."


One step further...towing a 9k boat...a full charge might get 100 miles.

An 80% charge...80 miles.

Its 285 miles to Marathon.

Full charge from home gets 100 miles (maybe...towing a 9k boat).

First charge at 80% (50 minutes) might get you 80 miles

(thats 180 miles from home).

Second charge (50 more minutes) might get you 80 more miles.

(thats 260 miles from home)

Third charge (50 more minutes) might get you 80 more miles.

It's only 25 miles to Marathon so you have maybe 55 miles left of your charge.

Thats toast because you have to put the boat in the water...get to the location...unload all your crap. Go get groceries etc...

Your 55 miles is toast.

Fourth charge (50 more minutes)...you now have enough power to get around on Marathon.

4 charges at 50 minutes per charge....200 minutes.

3 hours 33 minutes.

This does not take into account that you wont find a supercharging station EVERY 80 miles...AND you most likely wont find them along the route that you are taking. You will be traveling off your path to get a 'fill up'. This takes more time and more electricity. A LOT MORE!


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i plug my EV in every night.

drive it every morning.

works for me.

if it doesn't work for you.


YOU POLLUTING CONSPIRACY THEORIST,


don't buy one.

go out in your gas guzzling boat and pollute.
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Originally posted by: sandi
i plug my EV in every night.
drive it every morning.
works for me.
if it doesn't work for you.
YOU POLLUTING CONSPIRACY THEORIST,
don't buy one.
go out in your gas guzzling boat and pollute.



Where does that electricity in your outlet come from?

FPL?


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Aw fish, are you still working on this? Down from days to hours I see. Sharpen your pencil, it'll come to you.

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: sandi

i plug my EV in every night.

drive it every morning.

works for me.

if it doesn't work for you.

YOU POLLUTING CONSPIRACY THEORIST,

don't buy one.

go out in your gas guzzling boat and pollute.






Where does that electricity in your outlet come from?



FPL?


Solar Panels facing South on my roof. Solar is here.
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Originally posted by: sandi

Originally posted by: Fish Killer



Originally posted by: sandi



i plug my EV in every night.



drive it every morning.



works for me.



if it doesn't work for you.



YOU POLLUTING CONSPIRACY THEORIST,



don't buy one.



go out in your gas guzzling boat and pollute.












Where does that electricity in your outlet come from?







FPL?




Solar Panels facing South on my roof. Solar is here.


Were those solar panels made without polluting the shit out of the environment?

How's that working at night time for ya?

Can you survive without FPL?

Does those solar panels supply ALL of your power (zero net)?

Enquiring minds want to know!

LMAO

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wow, lil' f'er is polluting the planet all by himself. a gas guzzling truck to the keys. taking a toxic leak. an oil slick behind his boat. and then he drives the gas guzzler back to brevard?

f'er, stay in the keys. you don't surf anyway.

hey, wanna race?

if you win, you can have my exhaust pipes...
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Originally posted by: tom

too funny - how long should we let him go on?


No caps. You need to keep working at it. lol



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Originally posted by: sandi

FK, you need a whole team of psychiatrists.



I have an Electric Car. I love it.



The Solar Power on our roof keeps it charged.



It runs great. Feels solid on the hwy.



You're living in fear of change, dude. And everything changes.



Do us all a favor. See a doctor or two.


Yes, see a Team of Doctors.
I Love my EV.
It's simply a good car.
Low maintenance.
Good mileage.
Fast.

And, they are here to stay. We already have enough pollution.
People fear change.
FK is against anything the Dems believe in.
Why is that, FK.
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Awwwwww....LOOK!

The POS prog commie demoshit thinks that all or most of the greenhouse emissions are from coal.

Sorry SHITFORBRAINS...the pollution and greenhouse gasses emitted from the entire production to death of an electric car is FUCKING EXTREME!

ELECTRIC CARS ARE NOT 'GREEN' AND NEVER WILL BE YOU FUCKWAD!

ON TOP OF THAT HOW DO YOU PLAN ON LITERALLY DOUBLING OUR POWER PLANTS NATION WIDE TO POWER THESE ELECTRIC POS VEHICLES?

MORON!

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Hey Valdez, you know what they call a giant fuel spill down at the solar plant? A beautiful day.

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Also, since when are our resident experts worried about greenhouse gasses when global climate change is clearly 1) a natural phenomenon, 2) a Chinese hoax, and/or 3) a global conspiracy scam by mad scientists to line their pockets and Rule The World!!! Whoo! That last bit was kinda exciting. Heehee.

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Originally posted by: tom

Also, since when are our resident experts worried about greenhouse gasses when global climate change is clearly 1) a natural phenomenon, 2) a Chinese hoax, and/or 3) a global conspiracy scam by mad scientists to line their pockets and Rule The World!!! Whoo! That last bit was kinda exciting. Heehee. [IMG][/IMG]


Because YOU continually spout that shit!

IT OBVIOUSLY MEANS SOMETHING TO YOU!

Personally I dont give a fuck!

All of this crap wont last too too long as we are in 'end times'.

Buckle up buttercup!

The shit is gonna' hit the fan.

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All of this crap wont last too too long as we are in 'end times'.


Now nothing matters because the end is near?

Gary has finally reached the "standing on a box in the park to yell at the world" status. lol



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All of this crap wont last too too long as we are in 'end times'.



Now nothing matters because the end is near?



Only one thing matters...but not to you.

You know where you are going.

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Sorry chum, but your habit of lies and hate just might get you on the express car to hell.

Is heaven a nirvana if it's full of people like you?

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The bouquet of energy production in the US.

Natural gas (33.8%)
Coal (30.4%)
Nuclear (19.7%)
Hydro (6.5%)
Wind (5.5%)
Biomass (1.5%)
Other (2.6%)

Clearly, 70% of our energy production is non-coal
& that 30% is shrinking year after year.

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The bouquet of energy production in the US.



Natural gas (33.8%)

Coal (30.4%)

Nuclear (19.7%)

Hydro (6.5%)

Wind (5.5%)

Biomass (1.5%)

Other (2.6%)



Clearly, 70% of our energy production is non-coal

& that 30% is shrinking year after year.


How much do the others pollute...or contribute to greenhouse gasses?

Your lies are in the details.

Fool!

One other thing...most of the REST of the world is not on our percentages.

Why haven't you shown China's numbers?

I can pick 200 other countries that use almost nothing but coal...but thats not the point.

The point is electric cars are NOT FUCKING GREEN!

AND NEVER WILL BE!

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: follydude

The bouquet of energy production in the US.

Natural gas (33.8%)
Coal (30.4%)
Nuclear (19.7%)
Hydro (6.5%)
Wind (5.5%)
Biomass (1.5%)
Other (2.6%)

Clearly, 70% of our energy production is non-coal
& that 30% is shrinking year after year.


How much do the others pollute...or contribute to greenhouse gasses?
Your lies are in the details.
Fool!
One other thing...most of the REST of the world is not on our percentages.
Why haven't you shown China's numbers?
I can pick 200 other countries that use almost nothing but coal...but thats not the point.
The point is electric cars are NOT FUCKING GREEN!
AND NEVER WILL BE!



Because we live in the USA. Because we are world leaders. Because EVs are made in the USA. EVs reduce dependency on fossil fuels and gives us the opportunity to be more energy independent.
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Because we live in the USA. Because we are world leaders. Because EVs are made in the USA. EVs reduce dependency on fossil fuels and gives us the opportunity to be more energy independent.


The USA IS A TINY PERCENTAGRE OF WORLD POLLUTION AND GREENHOUSE GASSES!

NOTHING WE DO HERE WOULD MAKE EVEN A TINY DENT IS THE BULLSHIT YOU SPEW!

ALL YOUR BULLSHIT IS DOING IS COSTING OTHERS MONEY!

AND A SHOTLOAD OF IT!

YOU WILL NEVER STEM THE TIDE OF WORLD GREENHOUSE GASSES...OR WORLD ENVIROMENTAL POLLUTION!

THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY EVIL PEOPLE...JUST LIKE YOU!

HYPOCRITES!

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: follydude
Because we live in the USA. Because we are world leaders. Because EVs are made in the USA. EVs reduce dependency on fossil fuels and gives us the opportunity to be more energy independent.


The USA IS A TINY PERCENTAGRE OF WORLD POLLUTION AND GREENHOUSE GASSES!

NOTHING WE DO HERE WOULD MAKE EVEN A TINY DENT IS THE BULLSHIT YOU SPEW!

ALL YOUR BULLSHIT IS DOING IS COSTING OTHERS MONEY!

AND A SHOTLOAD OF IT!

YOU WILL NEVER STEM THE TIDE OF WORLD GREENHOUSE GASSES...OR WORLD ENVIROMENTAL POLLUTION!

THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY EVIL PEOPLE...JUST LIKE YOU!

HYPOCRITES!



Spaz out there, Lawn Killer.

"All of your bullshit is costing others money"

Curious about that. EVs pay for themselves over time, as do solar panels. Fill your tank with dinosaur juice over & again and there is no return.

What's up, Lawn Killer?



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EVs pay for themselves over time, as do solar panels.


Liar!

Take away all the 'free' taxpayer monies and the massive pollution and both of those are a fucking LOSS..LOSS...LOSS...LOSS!

How much does that manufacture pollution and disposal polution cost?

Who pays that bill?

"Basic Factors
To start working out the pay-off date, you must first have an understanding of both the system's price and the value of the generated electricity. Depending on the size and choice of panels, systems themselves will cost anything from $10,000 to $50,000. This is, though, before the Federal tax credits of 30 percent, plus the rebates that your state will receive. For instance, an average household would probably need a system of 5 kilowatts (5,000 watts). A system's basic cost is worked out by multiplying the size in watts by the price per watt the device is priced at, so if the seller's price were $3.95 per watt, the system's initial cost would be $19,750. The Federal tax credit, however, plus a $1,000 state tax credit, could lower the net price to around $12,000. The other factor determining your pay-off time is the regular electricity rate in your region. For instance, if your installed rate was $3.95, and your average electricity cost is $0.20 per kilowatt hour, your pay-back time should be about 15 years. Generally, the less expensive your system, and the higher your regular electricity rate, the shorter the pay-back time on your system will be."

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$20 Billion in taxpayer subsidies went to BIG OIL last year.

That's sinister.



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$20 Billion in taxpayer subsidies went to BIG OIL last year.
That's sinister.


And lets not forget about ethanol production - if it weren't for government subsidies to artificially lower the price of ethanol, blended gas would be a lot more expensive at the pump.
Plus up until a few years ago it took more energy to make a gallon of ethanol than we yield from a gallon of ethanol. The processes have become more efficient and now there is a positive yield but it is only about 20-30%. the whole ethanol thing was a way to get MTBE out of consumer gasoline ( a good thing) and a make a huge work job project for farmers, blenders, and others in the ethanol business (not sure if that was a good thing as tax payers paid a huge price).

Not to mention that we could be feeding the world with that corn.





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Originally posted by: Bamboo

Originally posted by: follydude



$20 Billion in taxpayer subsidies went to BIG OIL last year.

That's sinister.




And lets not forget about ethanol production - if it weren't for government subsidies to artificially lower the price of ethanol, blended gas would be a lot more expensive at the pump.

Plus up until a few years ago it took more energy to make a gallon of ethanol than we yield from a gallon of ethanol. The processes have become more efficient and now there is a positive yield but it is only about 20-30%. the whole ethanol thing was a way to get MTBE out of consumer gasoline ( a good thing) and a make a huge work job project for farmers, blenders, and others in the ethanol business (not sure if that was a good thing as tax payers paid a huge price).



Not to mention that we could be feeding the world with that corn.


Then tell us all why the FUCK we are using ethanol
blended' gas at all?

WHY!?!?

GET RID OF IT!



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Originally posted by: Fish Killer
Originally posted by: Bamboo
Originally posted by: follydude $20 Billion in taxpayer subsidies went to BIG OIL last year. That's sinister.
And lets not forget about ethanol production - if it weren't for government subsidies to artificially lower the price of ethanol, blended gas would be a lot more expensive at the pump. Plus up until a few years ago it took more energy to make a gallon of ethanol than we yield from a gallon of ethanol. The processes have become more efficient and now there is a positive yield but it is only about 20-30%. the whole ethanol thing was a way to get MTBE out of consumer gasoline ( a good thing) and a make a huge work job project for farmers, blenders, and others in the ethanol business (not sure if that was a good thing as tax payers paid a huge price). Not to mention that we could be feeding the world with that corn.
Then tell us all why the FUCK we are using ethanol blended' gas at all? WHY!?!? GET RID OF IT!
Awe yes....ethanol....another example of industries/politicians getting their pockets lined under the guise of moral/virtue signaling.



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Awe yes....ethanol....another example of industries/politicians getting their pockets lined under the guise of moral/virtue signaling.

It's corporate welfare. The government is paying and not making money here. Big agribusiness are the ones with the lined pockets.

Cut the oil subsidies. Cut the ethanol subsidies. Increase renewable tax breaks.

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Originally posted by: Cole

The government is paying and not making money here.


BULLSHIT!

THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING!

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Originally posted by: Cole

Sorry chum, but your habit of lies and hate just might get you on the express car to hell.
Is heaven a nirvana if it's full of people like you?


Maybe you could tell a dozen more lies on that fishing thread...and add to that humongous list that you started!

I love how you claim others do what YOU do!

Good luck with that.

You know where you are going...

Willingly.

LMAO.





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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: Cole



Sorry chum, but your habit of lies and hate just might get you on the express car to hell.

Is heaven a nirvana if it's full of people like you?




Maybe you could tell a dozen more lies on that fishing thread...and add to that humongous list that you started!



I love how you claim others do what YOU do!



Good luck with that.



You know where you are going...



Willingly.



LMAO.


Justify all you want, God knows the truth. You are a willing and spiteful liar. It will have repercussions.



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Originally posted by: Cole

Originally posted by: Fish Killer



Originally posted by: Cole







Sorry chum, but your habit of lies and hate just might get you on the express car to hell.



Is heaven a nirvana if it's full of people like you?








Maybe you could tell a dozen more lies on that fishing thread...and add to that humongous list that you started!







I love how you claim others do what YOU do!







Good luck with that.







You know where you are going...







Willingly.







LMAO.




Justify all you want, God knows the truth. You are a willing and spiteful liar. It will have repercussions.


YEAH...GOD DOES KNOW THE TRUTH YOU FUCKING LIAR!

Maybe you could tell a dozen more lies on that fishing thread...and add to that humongous list that you started!

I love how you claim others do what YOU do!

Good luck with that.

You know where you are going...

Willingly.

LMAO.




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Did a dead dude on the phone tell you to say that?
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Originally posted by: DiddleMe

Did a dead dude on the phone tell you to say that?


...can't stand the truth.

...got it.

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"The sinister nature........."

Hahahahahahaha!

One of the car batteries contained a serial number with three sixes, the mark of the beast perhaps?

It's evil I tell ya'.
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I rode my electric surfboard today.

Drove down to the beach in my electric car.

No pollution.

The guys on the jet skis left a mess.

Not to mention Noise Pollution.

Sinister.
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Originally posted by: sandi

I rode my electric surfboard today.



Drove down to the beach in my electric car.



No pollution.





Liar!

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End times dudes! Four riders in Tesla, Chevy, Ford and one of them dang German Porsche/Audi/BMW EVs. Woot! Was just reading that Tesla Y almost knocked Honda Pilot off 25th place in all vehicle sales so far in '21.

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"Currently available DC fast chargers require inputs of 480+ volts and 100+ amps (50-60 kW) and can produce a full charge for an EV with a 100-mile range battery in slightly more than 30 minutes (178 miles of electric drive per hour of charging...for a 100 mile range battery)."

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Originally posted by: sandi
i plug my EV in every night.
drive it every morning.
works for me.
if it doesn't work for you.
YOU POLLUTING CONSPIRACY THEORIST,
don't buy one.
go out in your gas guzzling boat and pollute.



Where does that electricity in your outlet come from?

FPL?

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...didn't think the POS would answer.

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

...didn't think the POS would answer.


He is a smart person with a regular life, much unlike your dumb self.

When I think of you, ole Dan'l Webster comes to mind.



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Originally posted by: Cole

Originally posted by: Fish Killer



...didn't think the POS would answer.




He is a smart person with a regular life, much unlike your dumb self.



When I think of you, ole Dan'l Webster comes to mind.


If he's so smart how come he gets caught is so many lies...just like you do?

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...sandi...the BIGgest hypocrite of NSR!

What a total POS you are.

STFU!

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Sideways again I see, haha. Leave the room for five minutes and it's a spitball fight. Come on fish, you're a grown-up now, not elementary school, you don't want to be handed the answer, you want this one! Give it the old college try. The answer is right there waiting for you.

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Oh, and Cole. Mel Beach barely breaking high tide with a steep beachface so some backwash. Did not check further north.

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Originally posted by: tom

Sideways again I see, haha. Leave the room for five minutes and it's a spitball fight. Come on fish, you're a grown-up now, not elementary school, you don't want to be handed the answer, you want this one! Give it the old college try. The answer is right there waiting for you.


Fuck off tom...

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

...sandi...the BIGgest hypocrite of NSR!



What a total POS you are.



STFU!



too funny. you crack me up.. and you just can't have it your way.

beware of incoming EV's...
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EV cars and solar are so sinister that FP&L is working behind the scenes and manipulating elected officials to cut subsidies and try to make them go away.

The status quo cannot be questioned!!!
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According to reporting by the Orlando Sentinel, FPL executives have been tied to a series of "dark money" groups with untraceable donors. One group, Grow United, was behind a candidate who had no political background but the same last name as the incumbent Democrat. The candidate diverted votes and helped Republicans maintain a majority in the state Senate. A Florida state attorney is investigating. In response to questions for this story, FPL denied any wrongdoing related to political campaigns.


politico nervoso.

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Originally posted by: follydude

According to reporting by the Orlando Sentinel, FPL executives have been tied to a series of "dark money" groups with untraceable donors. One group, Grow United, was behind a candidate who had no political background but the same last name as the incumbent Democrat. The candidate diverted votes and helped Republicans maintain a majority in the state Senate. A Florida state attorney is investigating. In response to questions for this story, FPL denied any wrongdoing related to political campaigns.




politico nervoso.


Hysterical....

Tied to donors...that are untraceable.

If they are truly untraceable...how does anyone know if this is not a bullshit story?

They don't and you don't.



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...whatever it takes to live with your lying self^.

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I GOT SUCH A GOOD TAX CREDIT!!!

More than enough to buy a new board.

Go EV


Go Solar!

go away lil' f'er...

you got it wrong
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The sinister nature of electric cars
By Jerold Levoritz
December 2, 2021

The Democrats are doing everything they can to get Americans into electric cars. However, those cars come with the risk of a serious loss of power - not just for the car, but for those who buy those cars.

We have to begin with asking, why is the governing pushing electric vehicles? And it's not just cars; it's also trucks. Why are they ignoring hybrid vehicles? If something happens to the electric guts of a properly designed hybrid car, the vehicle can limp along with its smaller gas engine until it reaches safety. What happens to a fully electric vehicle if its electrical system fails? Nothing, of course! You're stuck. All you have is a hunk of metal and plastic. And if you run out of electricity while driving, you can't just get a gallon gas can to fill the tank until you get to the nearest service station. Again, you're stuck.

The next question is, "Are electric cars cheaper than gas cars?" No, they cannot be cheaper, and that's even if you run them on renewables. Take solar energy, for example. Even if sunlight is free, the laws of thermodynamics still control.

Every time energy changes form, there is a loss factor. Sunlight impinging on solar cells changes only 14 - 47% of the energy to electricity. The forty-seven percent figure is state-of-the-art, so it is not available for everyday use.

Electricity is then stored in chemical-based car batteries (with a loss). And then chemical energy is reconverted back to electricity (with a loss) and finally to mechanical energy, where the tire rubber meets the road (with a loss). At a guess, not more than 5% of the original sun power turns the wheels of an E.V. That's awful. What this means is that it is more efficient to run a gas-powered vehicle.

You can do similar analyses with other renewables, whether wind or water power. They simply aren't efficient.

Image: Broken down Tesla outside Berlin. Photo by Ralf Roletschek

Moreover, renewables are available intermittently (when the sun shines, the wind blows, or the water flows). Because we want to drive when those power sources aren't immediately available, we will have to store excess sunlight in chemicals or in other ways, always remembering that storage and later reconversion is never free. And we will always have to maintain fossil fuel backup plants in case of renewables' failure.

This energy loss is not a secret. Smart people know about energy losses. Why, then, do so many favor a less efficient mode of transportation?

This analysis begins by recognizing that these smart people are fully aware of the above two points - namely, that fully electric vehicles are a riskier transport system compared to hybrids, and renewable power is a less efficient use of limited energy resources than gasoline.

Given this information, it is time for our conspiracy theory. By favoring a transportation system that can fail at a single point, we confer upon those in power the ability to shut down an entire civilization. And even if they don't completely shut it down, the price of electricity will be centrally controlled, allowing a chokehold on all the people all the time.

Redundancy is more expensive than efficiency, but redundancy at least leaves options. With our advanced understanding of complex systems today, no engineer would knowingly structure a system where failure at a single point makes everything inoperative for the foreseeable future. One broken gear in a clock makes it useless for its purpose, but we can buy another clock. Remaking a resilient transportation system is a herculean task.

The proper conclusion here is that society, meaning each and every one of us, should fight like hell before we allow such catastrophic vulnerabilities to be built into our future. One EMP explosion will eliminate most of the affected population within six months - and it won't be pleasant. Starvation is a particularly nasty way to end our days. And all the time we are starving to death, we'll have time to think how stupid we were to allow such things to be done to us.

Why would anyone trust the government to look after our welfare? Just don't do it. Just don't allow it! Just say no to E.V.s! Long live carburetors!

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

The sinister nature of electric cars

By Jerold Levoritz

December 2, 2021



The Democrats are doing everything they can to get Americans into electric cars. However, those cars come with the risk of a serious loss of power - not just for the car, but for those who buy those cars.



We have to begin with asking, why is the governing pushing electric vehicles? And it's not just cars; it's also trucks. Why are they ignoring hybrid vehicles? If something happens to the electric guts of a properly designed hybrid car, the vehicle can limp along with its smaller gas engine until it reaches safety. What happens to a fully electric vehicle if its electrical system fails? Nothing, of course! You're stuck. All you have is a hunk of metal and plastic. And if you run out of electricity while driving, you can't just get a gallon gas can to fill the tank until you get to the nearest service station. Again, you're stuck.



The next question is, "Are electric cars cheaper than gas cars?" No, they cannot be cheaper, and that's even if you run them on renewables. Take solar energy, for example. Even if sunlight is free, the laws of thermodynamics still control.



Every time energy changes form, there is a loss factor. Sunlight impinging on solar cells changes only 14 - 47% of the energy to electricity. The forty-seven percent figure is state-of-the-art, so it is not available for everyday use.



Electricity is then stored in chemical-based car batteries (with a loss). And then chemical energy is reconverted back to electricity (with a loss) and finally to mechanical energy, where the tire rubber meets the road (with a loss). At a guess, not more than 5% of the original sun power turns the wheels of an E.V. That's awful. What this means is that it is more efficient to run a gas-powered vehicle.



You can do similar analyses with other renewables, whether wind or water power. They simply aren't efficient.



Image: Broken down Tesla outside Berlin. Photo by Ralf Roletschek



Moreover, renewables are available intermittently (when the sun shines, the wind blows, or the water flows). Because we want to drive when those power sources aren't immediately available, we will have to store excess sunlight in chemicals or in other ways, always remembering that storage and later reconversion is never free. And we will always have to maintain fossil fuel backup plants in case of renewables' failure.



This energy loss is not a secret. Smart people know about energy losses. Why, then, do so many favor a less efficient mode of transportation?



This analysis begins by recognizing that these smart people are fully aware of the above two points - namely, that fully electric vehicles are a riskier transport system compared to hybrids, and renewable power is a less efficient use of limited energy resources than gasoline.



Given this information, it is time for our conspiracy theory. By favoring a transportation system that can fail at a single point, we confer upon those in power the ability to shut down an entire civilization. And even if they don't completely shut it down, the price of electricity will be centrally controlled, allowing a chokehold on all the people all the time.



Redundancy is more expensive than efficiency, but redundancy at least leaves options. With our advanced understanding of complex systems today, no engineer would knowingly structure a system where failure at a single point makes everything inoperative for the foreseeable future. One broken gear in a clock makes it useless for its purpose, but we can buy another clock. Remaking a resilient transportation system is a herculean task.



The proper conclusion here is that society, meaning each and every one of us, should fight like hell before we allow such catastrophic vulnerabilities to be built into our future. One EMP explosion will eliminate most of the affected population within six months - and it won't be pleasant. Starvation is a particularly nasty way to end our days. And all the time we are starving to death, we'll have time to think how stupid we were to allow such things to be done to us.



Why would anyone trust the government to look after our welfare? Just don't do it. Just don't allow it! Just say no to E.V.s! Long live carburetors!


Do you trust Trump?
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer
Redundancy is more expensive than efficiency, but redundancy at least leaves options. With our advanced understanding of complex systems today, no engineer would knowingly structure a system where failure at a single point makes everything inoperative for the foreseeable future.


The redundancy of hybrids is nice, but I run out of fingers and toes counting the possible single-point failures that would strand you temporarily (pending repair or refueling) in an ICE-only vehicle.

What kind of pure EV failure are you referring to that renders it "inoperative for the foreseeable future," and what exactly does "foreseeable future" mean to you in this context?
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my EV goes

ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM
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Originally posted by: CurtisEflush

Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Redundancy is more expensive than efficiency, but redundancy at least leaves options. With our advanced understanding of complex systems today, no engineer would knowingly structure a system where failure at a single point makes everything inoperative for the foreseeable future.




The redundancy of hybrids is nice, but I run out of fingers and toes counting the possible single-point failures that would strand you temporarily (pending repair or refueling) in an ICE-only vehicle.



What kind of pure EV failure are you referring to that renders it "inoperative for the foreseeable future," and what exactly does "foreseeable future" mean to you in this context?


I can see that you have the same reading problem that Coleslaw has.

Continue reading that paragraph to the end and you too will glean the meaning of what the the writer had to say about your bullshit EV vehicles.

Fool.



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Originally posted by: Fish Killer
I can see that you have the same reading problem that Coleslaw has.

Continue reading that paragraph to the end and you too will glean the meaning of what the the writer had to say about your bullshit EV vehicles.

Fool.


That article is a rambling heap of dung, and so is your thought process.

The only thing I can infer from your posts and replies is that you are a strong proponent of hybrid vehicles and the redundancy they provide. Are you tooling around in a Prius now?

If you think fuel supply is the only single-point failure possibility, it applies the same way to both EV and ICE. A 10,000-gallon diesel tank in your back yard will still run dry eventually, and if your conspiracy-minded paranoia believes the government is going to limit your access to electricity, they can do the same with petroleum.

Propulsion aside, ICE vehicles, EVs, and hybrids still share a ton of analogous (or identical) single-point failure modes. If you're worried about EMP, it's gonna fry your computer in any car the same way, and you won't get far without it. Your author closes with a tribute to carburetors, but there are more people wearing N95 masks now than there are driving carbureted vehicles.

I challenge you to rebut and elaborate with your own words.
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Oh boy, you know he only knows swear words. I kinda chuckled at the EMP as well. Any EMP worth it's salt is going to be nuclear and there may be, um, other problems (?) if that's the case. Sheesh.

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Originally posted by: CurtisEflush

Originally posted by: Fish Killer

I can see that you have the same reading problem that Coleslaw has.



Continue reading that paragraph to the end and you too will glean the meaning of what the the writer had to say about your bullshit EV vehicles.



Fool.




That article is a rambling heap of dung,


Nope.....but you are.

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Nope.....but you are.


I guess that's the best rebuttal he could muster, but at least he did so without any swear words, caps, or special fonts.

Meanwhile, there's some innovative work going on in the EV charging department at Purdue.
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Meanwhile, there's some innovative work going on in the EV charging department at Purdue.


Mercedes EV concept car with 620 mile range: Yahoo
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Rather than pay Tesla for 22k for repairs, these folks decided to explosively disassemble their Model S Tesla. Beautiful ending for a beautiful car!


The fun happens at the 7:00 mark.

Gotta love the Fins, they have a great sense of humor!

The repair of the EVs like Tesla is a weak point right now. A buddy with a performance Model 3 got into a fender bender and it took months to get the replacement body parts. Most other brands would have had what was needed in days, if not in stock. With EVs like Subaru, toyota, Nissan, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, etc. I don't think that is going to be an issue for those companies, but Tesla needs to get their after sale support services game running better if they want to stay competitive in the market.

BTW - they are using a water gel explosive that is common for mining and civil demolition use. They refer to it as dynamite but it isn't exactly the same stuff. It works great (obviously) and is a lot safer to handle.

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While I was at ODU, we had a contract teaching safety and HAZWOPER to Virginia DOT. The most popular 1/2 day was down at the quarry where we did explosives including nitrate/fuel and the gel variety. Way fun. What is it about that? Excellent find Bamboo!

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Originally posted by: CurtisEflush

Meanwhile, there's some innovative work going on in the EV charging department at Purdue.


Mercedes EV concept car with 620 mile range: Yahoo


What if you just pulled into a station where they pulled out your old battery tray and slapped in a new one right there? The station could then recharge batteries in the background for future customers. This has the potential to be faster than a F1 pitstop.

And, China is already working on it.
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Originally posted by: CurtisEflush

Originally posted by: CurtisEflush



Originally posted by: CurtisEflush



Meanwhile, there's some innovative work going on in the EV charging department at Purdue.




Mercedes EV concept car with 620 mile range: Yahoo




What if you just pulled into a station where they pulled out your old battery tray and slapped in a new one right there? The station could then recharge batteries in the background for future customers. This has the potential to be faster than a F1 pitstop.



And, China is already working on it.


Yeah but then your brand new batteries might get swapped out with someone's 5 year old ones....

Nope.

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As someone who actually owns an EV, I haven't run into any problems.

None.

Zero.

Try it. You'll like it.

ZOOM. ZOOM.
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Yeah but then your brand new batteries might get swapped out with someone's 5 year old ones....


And vice-versa. Some day, your batteries will also be 5 years old.
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer



Yeah but then your brand new batteries might get swapped out with someone's 5 year old ones....




And vice-versa. Some day, your batteries will also be 5 years old.


The people who will mostly use that service will be the people with 5 year old batteries.

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: CurtisEflush



Originally posted by: Fish Killer



I can see that you have the same reading problem that Coleslaw has.







Continue reading that paragraph to the end and you too will glean the meaning of what the the writer had to say about your bullshit EV vehicles.







Fool.








That article is a rambling heap of dung,




Nope.....but you are.


My EV goes...
ZOOM ZOOM!
You should get one...
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Isn't that what Qish posted in the other thread? Hey fraudboy whose jerold lovetoshitz?

Never mind. I looked him up. A nobody with no qualifications. If he was fat and believed in election fraud he'd be Qish.

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...thanks for re-posting my article.

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do you know tucker carlson isn't even a news reporter?

He admits he's just at fox as an entertainer.
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LOL Miker's buddy is no longer his buddy. hahaha
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...you have serious reading problems.

...get help.

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

...you have serious reading problems.



...get help.



ZOOM ZOOM...

IT GO BERRY BERRY FAST

F K nothing but gas...
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Originally posted by: sandi

Originally posted by: Fish Killer



...you have serious reading problems.







...get help.






ZOOM ZOOM...



IT GO BERRY BERRY FAST



F K nothing but gas...


Originally posted by: sandi

Originally posted by: Fish Killer



You aren't towing a 9000lb boat.







Are you even towing a boat?







Probably NOT!







LMAO!




yes, towing a boat, getting there without stopping to charge. catching fish. having fun@!


Liar.


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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: sandi



Originally posted by: Fish Killer







...you have serious reading problems.















...get help.












ZOOM ZOOM...







IT GO BERRY BERRY FAST







F K nothing but gas...




Originally posted by: sandi



Originally posted by: Fish Killer







You aren't towing a 9000lb boat.















Are you even towing a boat?















Probably NOT!















LMAO!








yes, towing a boat, getting there without stopping to charge. catching fish. having fun@!




Liar.


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Like I said....

LIAR!

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ZOOM ZOOM.

U B A POLLUTER.

SMELLY FISH.
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Originally posted by: sandi

yes, towing a boat, getting there without stopping to charge. catching fish. having fun@!


U B A LIAR.

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lol
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You rape the land to fill your car and boat with gas.

You pollute the air and water.

You are a mutation.

A Variant.

nothing more.

give it up.

The world is changing.

You fear change.

Change is the only constant.

Lard. You are Lard.
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Originally posted by: sandi

You rape the land to fill your car and boat with gas.
You pollute the air and water.



"Electric cars need to be light, which means they include a lot of high-performing metals. The lithium in the batteries, for example, is super light and conductive - that's how you get a lot of energy without adding a lot of weight. Other, rare metals are sprinkled throughout the car, mostly in the magnets that are in everything from the headlights to the on-board electronics.

But those rare metals come from somewhere - often, from environmentally destructive mines. It's not just Tesla, of course. All electric vehicles rely on parts with similar environmental issues. Even solar panels depend on rare metals that have to be dug out of the earth and processed in less-than-green ways, says David Abraham, author of the book The Elements of Power. (Disclosure: I helped edit some chapters of the book.)

We can't look at mining as an over-there thing and at Tesla as an over-here thing. They're intricately linked.

Rare metals only exist in tiny quantities and inconvenient places - so you have to move a lot of earth to get just a little bit. In the Jiangxi rare earth mine in China, Abraham writes, workers dig eight-foot holes and pour ammonium sulfate into them to dissolve the sandy clay. Then they haul out bags of muck and pass it through several acid baths; what's left is baked in a kiln, leaving behind the rare earths required by everything from our phones to our Teslas.

At this mine, those rare earths amounted to 0.2 percent of what gets pulled out of the ground. The other 99.8 percent - now contaminated with toxic chemicals - is dumped back into the environment. That damage is difficult to quantify, just like the impact of oil drilling.

And, as in every stage of the process, mining has hidden emissions. Jiangxi has it relatively easy because it's digging up clay, but many mines rely on rock-crushing equipment with astronomical energy bills, as well as coal-fired furnaces for the final baking stages. Those spew a lot of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in the process of refining a material destined for your zero-emissions car. In fact, manufacturing an electric vehicle generates more carbon emissions than building a conventional car, mostly because of its battery, the Union of Concerned Scientists has found."



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Originally posted by: sandi

yes, towing a boat, getting there without stopping to charge. catching fish. having fun@!


^^^U B A LIAR.

You rape the land to make the batteries for your car along with raping the land to build your car.

You pollute the air and water to get the electricity to fuel your car.

You pollute the land and air to dispose of your used up car.

What a POS hypocrite you are!

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: sandi



yes, towing a boat, getting there without stopping to charge. catching fish. having fun@!




^^^U B A LIAR.



You rape the land to make the batteries for your car along with raping the land to build your car.



You pollute the air and water to get the electricity to fuel your car.



You pollute the land and air to dispose of your used up car.



What a POS hypocrite you are!


TAKE MY ADVICE

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...yep!

it's ignore for your pos lying commie ass!

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just trade you ev in every 5 years.

trade in values are amazing compared to fossil fuel burning, polluting, slow no tow vehicles of the past

electric is here.

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or go back to horse and buggy.
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I always buy Extended Warranties, from the manufacturer. A really good one. Based on how long I think I will keep the car. They always more than pay for themselves. That way you know, whatever the repair is, it's only $100.00 or $200.00 out of pocket. Each time you need the car fixed. No matter what they find wrong, the payment remains the same.

Check it out.
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

...yep!



it's ignore for your pos lying commie ass!


ignore?

you always say i'm on ignore.

Then you respond to my posts.


you lying pos,
commie,
truth!
Fact!
asshole!!!
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Why would someone with 5 year old batteries care about getting 5 year old batteries. They are the ones who would mostly use the service, right?
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Why would someone with 5 year old batteries care about getting 5 year old batteries. They are the ones who would mostly use the service, right?


They are looking for much newer batteries...idiot.

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Bottom line: Apply a little intelligence and imagination. (Yes, Bob, I realize this is asking a bit much here.) You'd be getting different batteries every time you "fill up." Batteries could be something you never have to buy, just lease access to. In return, charging (exchange) stations could guarantee that you'll always get a battery with performance no worse than a 2 year old battery; e.g., you might get a new one, might get a 2-year old one, but on average you'd get the equivalent of a 1-year old battery. The battery stations could retire batteries once they exceed two years' age, and then farm them out elsewhere for less demanding applications.

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Originally posted by: CurtisEflush

Bottom line: Apply a little intelligence and imagination. (Yes, Bob, I realize this is asking a bit much here.)....


That train left the station a long time ago, as you observed.

The common battery type swap station is what makes the most sense for the commercial and long haulers and people traveling cross country on a schedule.

EVs are coming. To survive we adapt. That is what smart people do. I'm not jumping into it right away, but don't doubt that will have a EV sometime in my life. The new Dodge halo car is suppose to be pumping 1000-1200 hp and a shit ton of DC torque Hmmmm...Tesla killer.








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yes, lil' f'er.

adapt.

the only constant is change.

are you capable of change?

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I'm not sure I'm seeing this right.
Battery swap outs wheƱ charging isn't an option......
like electric bikes, trolling motors, battery electric power tools.
For cars.,....a standardized swappable battery! And seamless charging stations
naahhhhhhh




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Originally posted by: nukeh2o
For cars.,....a standardized swappable battery! And seamless charging stations
naahhhhhhh



Originally posted by: Fish Killer
They are looking for much newer batteries...idiot.



Did you guys not read the article, or simply not believe it?
The article

Chinese EV maker NIO (NIO.N) has already built a network of 700 battery swapping stations across China since 2000, which allows NIO car owners to swap a fully charged battery in three minutes.

Geely also said in September that it aims to set up 5,000 battery swapping stations for electric vehicles globally by 2025.


You'll get a different battery every time you fill up at an exchange station, so some will be better than others. It's not like you're trying to own your own pristine battery. I supposed you could do that if you wanted, but then you'd have to wait a couple hours to recharge it compared to 3 minutes when you exchange it.

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I supposed you could do that if you wanted, but then you'd have to wait a couple hours to recharge it compared to 3 minutes when you exchange it.


Swapping out a 5 year old battery set for a 1 year old set would make a huge financial gain for the recipient.

How much does a lithium battery set for a car cost today?



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why are you so afraid of change, fk?


why do you live in the past?
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I don't like liars...like you.

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I don't like liars...like you.


That isn't Scripture.

You are a Liar.!
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I don't like liars...like you.


This isn't Scripture?

You Liar.

You follow Trump.

and You are a Liar.

Why Lithium Man?

Why?
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I Love my EV.

Me and My EV!

My EV sets me Free.

The only constant is change.

Go Electric.
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Electric and digital are the ways of the future. If you're not on board now you're far behind.
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Originally posted by: HAPDigital

Electric and digital are the ways of the future. If you're not on board now you're far behind.


Digital literally has nothing to do with it.

Digital has been here forever.

You used it as a red herring to bolster your bullshit!

Lithium will be your failure.

BIG failure.

Uuuuuuuuge!

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HAPDigital

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Meanwhile my bank account grows bigger and bigger due to electric and digital technologies.
 04/30/2022 07:39 PM
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Fish Killer

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I dont want to buy a lithium required product that will have China in control of what I own.

Furthermore we dont have the infrastructure to be charging many millions of cars here in this state.

We dont have the electric generating capacity.

Your POS EV pollutes just as much as any other vehicle...from start to finish your EV pollutes this world actually much more than an internal combustion car.

You are an epic fool that bought into bullshit.

Oh wait...thats what you do!

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

I dont want to buy a lithium required product that will have China in control of what I own.



Furthermore we dont have the infrastructure to be charging many millions of cars here in this state.



We dont have the electric generating capacity.



Your POS EV pollutes just as much as any other vehicle...from start to finish your EV pollutes this world actually much more than an internal combustion car.



You are an epic fool that bought into bullshit.



Oh wait...thats what you do!


are you getting rid of all your stuff containing lithium?
 05/01/2022 12:30 PM
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HAPDigital

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Originally posted by: sandi

Originally posted by: Spammy the Failure



I use lithium in my remote controls and my scooter because I am a fat waste of space.






Furthermore we dont have the infrastructure for my fat ass in my house anymore.






We dont have the electric generating capacity.









I an epic fool that bought into doughnuts and Hershey bars.







Oh wait...thats what I do!




are you getting rid of all your stuff containing lithium?


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please don't call my car Sinister, FK.

Why would you want to hurt it's feelings?

Did it ever do anything to you?

lol
 05/01/2022 11:52 AM
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Fish Killer

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I'm not BASING THE ENTIRE VEHICLE INDUSTRY IN THIS COUNTRY ON A LIMITED LITHIUM SUPPLY OWNED MOSTLY BY FUCKING CHINA!

FUCKING MORON!

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^triggered

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Originally posted by: Spammy the Filure

I'm triggered because I have to buy lithium batteries to ride my scooter around walmarts. i'm such a fatass cuz i don't surf and never have.


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