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09/24/2023 06:38 AM
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would the republicos shut down the government if it effected their salaries?
do they even care how many private citizens the shut down will have a devestating effect on? do the replicos have a platform??? God Bless Anerica. Please!!! Edited: 09/29/2023 at 11:21 AM by sandi |
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09/24/2023 07:17 AM
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MCarthy sold his soul to become speaker and is nowthe bitch of the magagagger nutjobs.
He has no path forward so he sent his congress home for the week. He should have quit trying to be speaker at 14 votes. just sayin' ------------------------- If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV |
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09/24/2023 07:29 AM
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If i was a government employee, I would be cheering for a government shutdown. They tell them not to come to work and then give them back pay for the unscheduled vacation. Oh the tragedy!
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09/24/2023 08:35 AM
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If i was a government employee, I would be cheering for a government shutdown. They tell them not to come to work and then give them back pay for the unscheduled vacation. Oh the tragedy! That's great, unless your power gets turned off or you need to eat. Paycheck to paycheck is very real, especially for low wrung government employees, military included, and they still have to go to work. ------------------------- I was right. |
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09/24/2023 09:34 AM
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Paycheck to paycheck is very real, Biden has in fact genuinely made it that way for middle America today. ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/24/2023 10:12 AM
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Paycheck to paycheck is very real, Biden has in fact genuinely made it that way for middle America today. NOT TRUE! People who are now paying there bills and leading good lives will all of a sudden have no income. This totally the fault of the republicos and has nothing to do with President Biden. Get your Facts Straight. Try telling the truth... |
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09/24/2023 10:06 AM
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GOP upon GOP here. The democrats are just spectators.
------------------------- "One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky. |
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09/24/2023 10:21 AM
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Ohhhh...MOST DEFINITELY TRUE!
Biden is 100% TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ECONOMIC SITUATION HE HAS DELIBERATELY PUT US ALL IN, CURRENTLY! IDIOT! http://www.foxnews.com/politic...l-election-poll-finds ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 09/24/2023 at 10:23 AM by Fish Killer |
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09/24/2023 10:32 AM
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^^^^
Says the FK'ing neo-soviet propaganda troll, or is he just a FK'ing dumbass. Either way the Dems are not responsible for giving up and going home rather than work on getting a budget package together. ------------------------- If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV |
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09/24/2023 09:17 PM
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we know the truth is that the republicos are responsible for the government shutdown.
the effect will be devestating to many Americans. and, the republicos are doing it on purpose. instead of working on the problen, they are going home. FACT! good job, republicos!!! God bless America. Please... |
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09/24/2023 10:37 AM
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"The Washington Post and ABC released the poll Sunday, which found that if the 2024 presidential election were held today, Trump would win 52% to 42% over Biden. Respondents also held a poor view of Biden's handling of the economy and the U.S.-Mexico border, in addition to his age.
Meanwhile, Biden's approval rating sits at 37%, according to the poll, while 56% of respondents actively disapprove of his presidency. Biden is facing a crisis of confidence among his own party members as well, with roughly 60% of Democrat and Democrat-leaning respondents saying they would prefer a different nominee. The critics cited Biden's age, his handling of the economy, and the ongoing border crisis as pain points with his administration." ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/24/2023 10:40 AM
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One other thing.....
The government IS NOT getting shut down. If it does shut down it will be for a VERY short time...so that one party or the other can pass a nefarious agenda item and not have the public TOO outraged. Fact! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 09/30/2023 at 06:18 AM by Fish Killer |
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09/24/2023 12:07 PM
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"The sizable margin of Trump's lead in this survey is significantly at odds with other public polls that show the general election contest a virtual dead heat," the Post wrote Sunday. "The difference between this poll and others, as well as the unusual makeup of Trump's and Biden's coalitions in this survey, suggest it is probably an outlier."
lol ------------------------- I was right. |
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09/29/2023 11:19 AM
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One other thing..... The government IS NOT getting shut down. ANYONE claiming that it will or insinuating the same is a LIAR...or an IDIOT... OR BOTH! so, You are saying there isn't going to be a government shutdown? are you a LIAR or an Idiot? will you admit you are wrong when it happens? lol |
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09/29/2023 02:53 PM
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One other thing..... The government IS NOT getting shut down. ANYONE claiming that it will or insinuating the same is a LIAR...or an IDIOT... OR BOTH! Quoting this one for posterity ------------------------- |
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09/24/2023 02:25 PM
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Another clusterfuck from the Do-Nothing RePutinicans. They can never get anything accomplished. and surprise- they need the Dems to come in and help fix their mess just like theyre still praying we will fix the nightmare they created in 2016 ------------------------- |
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09/24/2023 03:24 PM
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Yeah...no.
Idiot. http://redstate.com/nick-arama...vs-trump-poll-n2164224 ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/24/2023 03:46 PM
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Pugs fuck up everything, every time..
just another pug fail. re: your election prediction.. 2020... DONE! ------------------------- Edited: 09/24/2023 at 03:47 PM by fishkller |
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09/24/2023 06:42 PM
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Only 30% look favorably on his handling of the economy, while 37% approve of his performance overall, compared to 56% who disapprove, per the poll.
On immigration, Biden's approval clocks in at 23%, with 45% strongly disapproving. Then, a considerable 74% of voters feel that he's too old for another term, wile about 50% say the same about Trump. ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/25/2023 05:17 AM
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I guess this is what happens when people vote for politicians whose stated goal is to disrupt the institution of government.
The hooting loonies would play a fiddle while it burns. ------------------------- The American patriot professes love of his country while simultaneously hating 90% of its people. |
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09/25/2023 05:29 AM
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The Looming Government Shutdown Is Not the Fault of Dysfunction
f there's anything that Democrats should emphasize about the looming government shutdown, it's the essential Republican-ness of it all. This shutdown is the pure product of the modern GOP, packed with antisocial weirdos and redolent of their inability to govern themselves or anyone else. Here, Democrats may have to joust with a media that vastly prefers to pin this kind of dysfunction on mushy concepts like polarization, or point the finger of blame - more nebulously - at "Congress," as The New York Times did in a limp headline last week. More recent reporting has, happily, hit the ball more squarely, properly identifying "Republican infighting" as the proximate cause of the impending calamity. ------------------------- GOP: Gaslight Obstruct Project |
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09/25/2023 05:51 AM
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Yes the shutdown is going to be the republicans fault. If there was not push back by true conservatives. the budget would be twice as large, and the American experiment
would be over much sooner. Our politicos in DC are in one of two camps, they either hate America or, would sell it down the road for their own gain. |
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09/25/2023 06:01 AM
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Is the debt even real when you have the power to make it simply blink out?
And chop, why all the concern over the debt now? Trump spent and spent and spent, then spent some more. $5 trillion in normal debt, then two additional trillion in the battle with Covid. You never said a word. None of you ever said a word. Now it is a problem? ------------------------- I was right. |
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09/25/2023 07:18 AM
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Is the debt even real when you have the power to make it simply blink out? And chop, why all the concern over the debt now? Trump spent and spent and spent, then spent some more. $5 trillion in normal debt, then two additional trillion in the battle with Covid. You never said a word. None of you ever said a word. Now it is a problem? Debt not real because you can blink it out? That statement tells us you do not understand money. Trump spends to much, just like every politico in DC. At least Trump lets the little guy get his share. You want the government to decide for you, your cut. Edited: 09/25/2023 at 07:20 AM by chopola |
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09/25/2023 09:32 PM
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Is the debt even real when you have the power to make it simply blink out? And chop, why all the concern over the debt now? Trump spent and spent and spent, then spent some more. $5 trillion in normal debt, then two additional trillion in the battle with Covid. You never said a word. None of you ever said a word. Now it is a problem? Debt not real because you can blink it out? That statement tells us you do not understand money. Trump spends to much, just like every politico in DC. At least Trump lets the little guy get his share. You want the government to decide for you, your cut. I heard that from Dick Cheney. lol Shortly before he was fired, [Treasury Secretary Paul O'neill] confronted Cheney about the Administration's latest proposal to cut taxes by another six hundred and seventy-four billion dollars over ten years, pointing out that the country was "moving toward a fiscal crisis." The Vice-President stopped him. "Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said. "We won the midterms. This is our due." ------------------------- I was right. |
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09/25/2023 09:33 PM
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Biden was giving it to the little people, Republicans cut it off.
------------------------- I was right. |
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09/25/2023 06:00 AM
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Chipotle is really chugging the pug koolaid this morning lol. . ------------------------- |
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09/25/2023 09:28 AM
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the job of the government is to keep the government open.
it's better for the economy. it's safer for the American people. it keeps America more organized. etc. do your jobs republicos! |
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09/25/2023 06:09 AM
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According to the CBO, Biden is going to match Trump's addition to the national debt in just three years, reaching a total of $7.1 trillion over his four years. That would be $1.5 trillion more than Trump contributed during his term, which included the 2020 one-time COVID emergency spending. If Biden's 2024 proposed budget actually passed, he would add as much to the national debt as Trump and Bush 43 combined. House Republican leaders have made clear his budget isn't going anywhere; but it illustrates just how out of control Biden's spending policies really are.
------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/25/2023 06:17 AM
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The Oval Office budget never passes, it's a presidential vision. That is the job of congress. The current stalemate is between Republicans, not Democrats and Republicans.
------------------------- I was right. |
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09/25/2023 08:17 AM
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" Paycheck to paycheck is very real" Coleslaw finally gets it right--thanks blunder/hyena policies!
------------------------- Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18; Ecl. 10-2 |
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09/25/2023 08:23 AM
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Eh, people were living paycheck to paycheck thru Bush and Trump too.
Sounds like Crankhit is having money issues.. ------------------------- |
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09/25/2023 10:00 AM
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According to the CBO, Biden is going to match Trump's addition to the national debt in just three years, reaching a total of $7.1 trillion over his four years. That would be $1.5 trillion more than Trump contributed during his term, which included the 2020 one-time COVID emergency spending.
------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/25/2023 11:47 AM
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is that a good reason to close the government?
Moron! |
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09/25/2023 02:31 PM
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is that a good reason to close the government? Moron! Listen...skank.....the government is NOT getting shut down. If it does shut down it will be for a VERY short time...so that one party or the other can pass a nefarious agenda item and not have the public TOO outraged. Both parties are in on it. FACT! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 09/30/2023 at 06:19 AM by Fish Killer |
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09/25/2023 03:07 PM
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is that a good reason to close the government? Moron! Listen...skank.....the government is NOT getting shut down. Not happening. Go get hoaxed somewhere else! IDIOT! I heard it fox "news." would they lie? answer the question!!! moron. |
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09/25/2023 12:01 PM
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Cut off those disability checks to all the ex-military welfare queens and see what happens.
------------------------- The American patriot professes love of his country while simultaneously hating 90% of its people. |
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09/25/2023 02:28 PM
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LOL Now Trump is screaming to shut down the government.
what a patriot. scorched earth, I suppose ------------------------- |
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09/25/2023 02:33 PM
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Like i said earlier, give all the government employees a week off with pay. Who gives a crap?
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09/25/2023 02:33 PM
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Another Fishfuck prediction
Ronald Dion DeSantis. ------------------------- Edited: 09/25/2023 at 02:34 PM by fishkller |
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09/25/2023 03:24 PM
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^HOAXED!
------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/25/2023 08:38 PM
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I have been hoaxed by fox "news." if I can't trust fox, wh can I trust?
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09/26/2023 10:16 AM
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I have been hoaxed by fox "news." if I can't trust fox, wh can I trust? |
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09/26/2023 10:19 PM
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I have been hoaxed by fox "news." if I can't trust fox, who can I trust? WHO? WHO CAN I TRUST??? lol Edited: 09/26/2023 at 10:20 PM by sandi |
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09/26/2023 09:57 AM
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^HOAXED!
------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/26/2023 11:19 AM
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You do realize that Fox News is liberal left leaning now...right?
IDIOT! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/26/2023 11:28 AM
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Can't watch Fox Can't go to Walmart Can't drink Budweiser damn, there isn't much of your culture left.. next they're gonna tell ya you can't fuck fish ------------------------- |
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09/26/2023 11:35 AM
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^HOAXED...every day!
------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/26/2023 12:12 PM
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If he has to boycott KFC, there won't be a Gary left.. ------------------------- |
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09/26/2023 12:17 PM
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^falls for a HOAX every day!
Fact! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/26/2023 12:33 PM
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Says the guy who thought the NFL was finished hahahaha
Swifties go bonkers for NFL ------------------------- Edited: 09/26/2023 at 12:34 PM by fishkller |
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09/26/2023 12:42 PM
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Nobody sees any kneeling in the NFL any more.
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09/26/2023 01:49 PM
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Nobody sees any kneeling in the NFL any more. I wonder why...... Well, you're no longer around, so the gloryhole scene just kinda fell apart.. ------------------------- Edited: 09/26/2023 at 02:39 PM by fishkller |
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09/26/2023 02:42 PM
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^ignorant commie pos that doesn't know who I am, where I live or what I so.
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09/26/2023 04:57 PM
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^ignorant commie pos that doesn't know who I am, where I live or what I so. LMAO! HARD! Pretty much wrong on all accounts. lol ------------------------- I was right. |
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09/26/2023 05:02 PM
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Yeah...no.
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09/26/2023 05:03 PM
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or what I so
No one knows WITF this means. ------------------------- I was right. |
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09/26/2023 10:22 PM
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or what I so No one knows WITF this means. "Stop making sense..." speak much English? lol |
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09/26/2023 06:49 PM
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...look to the right of the s you stupid pos waste of human flesh.
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09/27/2023 06:10 AM
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...look to the right of the s you stupid pos waste of human flesh. That doesn't make sense either. ------------------------- I was right. |
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09/27/2023 06:28 AM
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...look to the right of the s you stupid pos waste of human flesh. That doesn't make sense either. Thats because you are an ignorant pos waste of human flesh. Go back to 3rd grade! "...look to the right of the s" asdfghjkl;' (<--from a standard keyboard) Answer: 'd'. Put the 'd' where the 's' is: "^ignorant commie pos that doesn't know who I am, where I live or what I so." "^ignorant commie pos that doesn't know who I am, where I live or what I do." Whats amazing is that you didn't figure out that it was a SIMPLE typo on the first round. Your IQ is MUCH lower than I ever thought! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 09/27/2023 at 06:33 AM by Fish Killer |
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09/27/2023 06:41 AM
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...look to the right of the s you stupid pos waste of human flesh. That doesn't make sense either. Thats because you are an ignorant pos waste of human flesh. Go back to 3rd grade! "...look to the right of the s" asdfghjkl;' (<--from a standard keyboard) Answer: 'd'. Put the 'd' where the 's' is: "^ignorant commie pos that doesn't know who I am, where I live or what I so." "^ignorant commie pos that doesn't know who I am, where I live or what I do." Whats amazing is that you didn't figure out that it was a SIMPLE typo on the first round. Your IQ is MUCH lower than I ever thought! That's what I was after. lol ------------------------- I was right. Edited: 09/27/2023 at 07:19 AM by Cole |
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09/27/2023 12:24 PM
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Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) reportedly wants to meet with President Joe Biden in an apparent bid to renegotiate their months-old budget deal as McCarthy desperately seeks to appease House Republican hard-liners - who are demanding radical spending cuts - and avert a government shutdown as soon as Oct. 1.
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) wasn't having McCarthy's new demand, though. On Tuesday, the New York congresswoman wrote on X, formerly Twitter, that McCarthy had "already got his meeting" with Biden when they struck the deal earlier this year. "Deal is done," she added. "Biden held his end. Nothing to relitigate." Then she wrote that McCarthy can "go pound sand." Later, Ocasio-Cortez taunted McCarthy with the "boy math" meme. "Boy math is needing 15 attempts to count the votes correctly to become Speaker and then shutting down the government 9 months later," ------------------------- GOP: Gaslight Obstruct Project |
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09/26/2023 07:59 PM
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What? Sense.. make some. ------------------------- |
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09/26/2023 08:04 PM
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asdfghjkl;'
What's directly to the right of the 's' you stupid pos commie loser? ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/27/2023 06:13 AM
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Looks like theyre gonna fuk this up.
Dems are already on it in the senate lol "the best guys"... ------------------------- |
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09/27/2023 06:30 AM
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Yes Coleslaw...you are one seriously STUPID FUCK!
------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 09/27/2023 at 06:33 AM by Fish Killer |
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09/27/2023 06:36 AM
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I think Gary has been suckin' down too many Mayo packets lately.. that was some gobbelygook on a StirDerpMcBanned level... ------------------------- |
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09/27/2023 06:38 AM
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^the other PROVED stupid fuck!
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09/27/2023 06:43 AM
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Liar!
(Hey MODS...Coleslaw has everyone SCROLLING again! DO YOUR JOB!) ^(that's what I was after! LMAO!) ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 09/27/2023 at 06:45 AM by Fish Killer |
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09/27/2023 06:51 AM
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Liar! (Hey MODS...Coleslaw has everyone SCROLLING again! DO YOUR JOB!) ^(that's what I was after! LMAO!) This will do too. lol Oh, and it's your spacing you stupid clown. lolx2 ------------------------- I was right. |
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09/27/2023 06:52 AM
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Liar!
(Hey MODS...Coleslaw has everyone SCROLLING again! DO YOUR JOB!) ^(that's what I was after! LMAOZ!) ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 09/27/2023 at 06:53 AM by Fish Killer |
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09/27/2023 06:52 AM
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Chicken in the breadpan.. ------------------------- |
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09/27/2023 06:53 AM
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^(that's what I was after! LMAOZ!)
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09/27/2023 06:57 AM
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You need to condense your spacing.
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09/27/2023 07:03 AM
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You need to condense your spacing. I don't need to do SHIT! My post didn't need any scrolling! If YOU re-post anything it's YOUR JOB to clean it up! DO YOUR JOB! MORON! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 09/27/2023 at 07:04 AM by Fish Killer |
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09/27/2023 07:02 AM
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Yeah Gary, I'm having to scroll thru your spazz spamming again. You were warned about that shit.. you know what happened to DirtKookMcGurt ------------------------- |
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09/27/2023 07:05 AM
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You need to condense your spacing Lomtard
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09/27/2023 07:11 AM
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^LOSERZ!
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09/27/2023 07:33 AM
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gary "80 minutes to Disney" Lomtard
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09/27/2023 07:35 AM
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IP address don't lie.
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09/27/2023 07:42 AM
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I use a VPN.....good luck with that.
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09/27/2023 08:42 AM
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I use a VPN.....good luck with that. Why is that gary? lol ------------------------- I was right. |
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09/27/2023 09:08 AM
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Rep. Mike Johnson (R-LA) delivered a speech on the House floor on Tuesday in which he claimed the GOP is "negotiating in good faith" to avert a government shutdown that he said party members "do not desire."
His remarks seemed to irk Rep. Brendan Boyle (D-PA), who read comments from prominent Republicans welcoming a shutdown. Unless Congress and the White House agree on spending legislation to fund the government beyond Sept. 30, the government will shut down. So far, the Republican-controlled House has been hobbled by intra-party fighting that has rendered it unable to pass the bill or bills necessary to ensure the government continues to operate. "We are taking a stand here," Johnson said on the floor. "We're operating in good faith. We're negotiating together for the best outcome for the people. And we do not desire a shutdown." Boyle rose to speak in response and went directly at Johnson: The previous speaker just said that no Republican member wants a shutdown. I have the quotes right here, which I will submit for the record when I'm done. One House Republican said , "Let's shut it down." Another Republican colleague saying , "We shouldn't fear a government shutdown... most Americans won't even miss it." And the leader of the Republican Party - the former president - saying , "Unless you get everything, shut it down." Make no mistake about it. We're here because certain members on the other side of the aisle want a shutdown. They even said they want a shutdown. And why should we be surprised about that? Ever since I was in high school 30 years ago, we've had five government shutdowns. All five took place under House Republican leadership. When Democrats are in charge of the House, zero government shutdowns during that same time period. ------------------------- GOP: Gaslight Obstruct Project |
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09/27/2023 09:34 AM
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I use a VPN.....good luck with that. Why is that gary? lol Because mine states that I'm in Arizona right now. Why? So that idiots like you dont know where I am via internet. Thats what a VPN is for...idiot. It also states that you are a serious idiot. LololZ (Would you like me to change it to something semi local? Or maybe Germany or Australia? Let me know! Idiot. LMAO!) ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 09/27/2023 at 09:39 AM by Fish Killer |
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09/27/2023 01:17 PM
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I use a VPN.....good luck with that. Why is that gary? lol Because mine states that I'm in Arizona right now. Why? So that idiots like you dont know where I am via internet. Thats what a VPN is for...idiot. It also states that you are a serious idiot. LololZ (Would you like me to change it to something semi local? Or maybe Germany or Australia? Let me know! Idiot. LMAO!) I know right where you are, gary. lol ------------------------- I was right. |
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09/27/2023 09:09 AM
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Gary's not too bright. He thinks an IP address is the only way on the internet to connect him to his account ------------------------- |
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09/27/2023 09:42 AM
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Keep focusing on the IP Gary .. no one will ever identify you
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09/27/2023 09:51 AM
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^loser
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09/27/2023 10:18 AM
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^ gary
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09/27/2023 10:35 AM
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^Lying liars lie
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09/27/2023 12:26 PM
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"Boy math". That's funny.
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09/27/2023 01:40 PM
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Yeah...no you don't.
You can't even get my name right. Liar. You wish you did. How's it feel to 'want'? LMAO! Loser! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/27/2023 03:22 PM
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Has Gary ever even been outside the South? lol He writes like he's terrified of the rest of America ------------------------- |
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09/27/2023 03:59 PM
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^loser.
Non-relevant. You mad bro? ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 09/27/2023 at 04:00 PM by Fish Killer |
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09/27/2023 04:02 PM
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Who is "Bro"?
"enquiring" minds want to know! Let us all know when you get my name right! HARD! ------------------------- |
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09/27/2023 04:17 PM
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^Ignorant.
Doesnt know what the term bro means. He's a liar. Yep... A liar. ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/27/2023 04:19 PM
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Who is "Bro"? National Enquiring minds want to know. HARD ON! ------------------------- |
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09/27/2023 04:19 PM
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^liar.
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09/29/2023 11:22 AM
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Yep!
This is a ploy...repeated over and over and over. Old news! If it does shut down it will be for a VERY short time...so that one party or the other can pass a nefarious agenda item and not have the public TOO outraged,. COUNT ON IT! IDIOT! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/29/2023 11:51 AM
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so, you are changing your story from it won't get shut down to
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09/29/2023 02:57 PM
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Yep! This is a ploy...repeated over and over and over. Old news! If it does shut down it will be for a VERY short time...so that one party or the other can pass a nefarious agenda item and not have the public TOO outraged,. COUNT ON IT! IDIOT! MORON! LOL lol |
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09/29/2023 11:57 AM
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I can see that YOU missed this part:
"so that one party or the other can pass a nefarious agenda item and not have the public TOO outraged" Do work on your reading skills. It would help you immensely. Also, changing the thread title to point to me was hilarious. Thanks! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 09/29/2023 at 12:00 PM by Fish Killer |
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09/29/2023 02:54 PM
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so your incredibly high iq sez, "IF" means the same thing as "WON'T."
you can't have it both ways, magascum. you are contradicting yourself. you will never do that again. unless you do that again. MORON! LOL lol |
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09/29/2023 02:57 PM
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Gary moving those goalposts again. Garyposts lol. ------------------------- Edited: 09/29/2023 at 02:57 PM by fishkller |
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09/29/2023 03:02 PM
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Another spot on Gary prediction.
2020.... DONE!! ------------------------- |
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09/29/2023 04:21 PM
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Time to move those goalposts again, Gary Conservative rebels tank McCarthy's funding bill, raising odds of a shutdown Will this mean Comey won't get his prison meals? lololol ------------------------- |
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09/30/2023 05:58 AM
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I can see that YOU missed this part:
"so that one party or the other can pass a nefarious agenda item and not have the public TOO outraged" Do work on your reading skills. It would help you immensely. Also, changing the thread title to point to me was hilarious. Thanks! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/30/2023 08:06 AM
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Running out of time Gary. Looks like you're gonna be dead wrong yet again... Quite a record you've got going FishWrongz FACTOMUNDO! ® ------------------------- |
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09/30/2023 08:52 AM
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"so that one party or the other can pass a nefarious agenda item and not have the public TOO outraged"
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09/30/2023 09:52 AM
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"IF" and "Won't," have the same meaning???
Me No think so. Liar. lol Edited: 09/30/2023 at 09:52 AM by sandi |
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09/30/2023 10:45 AM
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"If it does shut down it will be for a VERY short time...so that one party or the other can pass a nefarious agenda item and not have the public TOO outraged."
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09/30/2023 12:53 PM
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You have said it won't shut down multiple times. Move the goal posts and make all the silly excuses you want, a fact is a fact.
so that one party or the other can pass a nefarious agenda item and not have the public TOO outraged This has nothing to do with you saying it won't shut down. It's just another obfuscation. ------------------------- I was right. |
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09/30/2023 04:04 PM
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Coleslaw the idiot:
http://2ndlight.com/fusetalk/f...d=209224&enterthread=y ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/30/2023 07:16 PM
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The idiots on the forum fell for the HOAX of the week!@
That would be ALL of the usuals...Coleslaw, FAKEfk, dukie20, pussi, johnnygirl, jbdgirl, etc...etc. LMAO! HARD! http://redstate.com/jenniferoo...ment-shutdown-n2164540 ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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09/30/2023 08:44 PM
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I'm glad Kevin grew a pair of balls and looked to the Dems to get this done. Trump and the MAGA crowd tried to throw America under the bus, but failed. Good! As fun as it is busting Gary's chops over his ragey predictions, I'd rather this be the outcome and see Rapey McForehead put in a dress. A better day for America ------------------------- |
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10/01/2023 04:49 AM
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^Loser.
LMAO! (Didn't get your funding for Ukraine or massive waste pet projects so kick the can down the road for 45 days and try to get your shit again. You figure you will have the Rep. RINOS in line by then. Maybe you can get another commie demoshit to pull another fire alarm next time!) ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 10/01/2023 at 04:56 AM by Fish Killer |
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10/01/2023 06:38 AM
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How long is this "fix" for?
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10/01/2023 08:41 AM
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LOL look how mad Lommy is.
I'm glad they funded it Thank God. But we all know it's not the Dems kicking any cans down the road.. we've been ready to do this the whole time. Get your boy Rapey McFivehead in line.. ------------------------- Edited: 10/01/2023 at 08:41 AM by fishkller |
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10/01/2023 10:06 AM
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^Losers.
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10/01/2023 10:51 AM
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who are these "losers"?
national enquiring minds want to know Let us know when you get our names right Gary HOAXED! DAILY! FACTOMUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNDO!! ------------------------- |
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10/01/2023 10:54 AM
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^BIGgest loser!
HUGE! HOAXED every day. FACT! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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10/01/2023 11:30 AM
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who are these "losers"? national enquiring minds want to know HUGE! HARD! ON!! FACTOMUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNODO! ------------------------- |
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10/01/2023 12:50 PM
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^BIGgest loser!
HUGE! HOAXED every day. FACT! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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10/01/2023 03:22 PM
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10/01/2023 03:35 PM
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^hoaxed!
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10/01/2023 03:43 PM
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who?
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10/01/2023 03:48 PM
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^hoaxed
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10/01/2023 03:49 PM
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10/01/2023 03:49 PM
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^hoaxed
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10/01/2023 03:52 PM
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when
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10/01/2023 03:56 PM
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^played.
idiot. ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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10/01/2023 04:10 PM
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10/01/2023 06:31 PM
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....because you're an idiot.
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10/01/2023 07:27 PM
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an ?
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10/01/2023 09:21 PM
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..you're an idiot.
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10/01/2023 09:51 PM
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idiot?
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10/02/2023 04:32 AM
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Eye didn't stutter.
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10/02/2023 04:39 AM
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10/02/2023 04:50 AM
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10/02/2023 04:56 AM
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------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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10/02/2023 06:12 AM
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Hey look, the narcissist has the last word.
Pathetic. ------------------------- I was right. |
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10/02/2023 06:23 AM
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read my last 4 replies in order lol
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10/02/2023 06:24 AM
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You would know.
------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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10/02/2023 06:26 AM
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You have to reply. lol
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10/02/2023 06:27 AM
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I did...idiot
"You would know" ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. Edited: 10/02/2023 at 06:27 AM by Fish Killer |
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10/02/2023 06:29 AM
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Just like I said.
Bark bitch, bark! lol ------------------------- I was right. |
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10/02/2023 06:31 AM
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You would know.
Lowest IQ on the forum. ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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10/02/2023 06:50 AM
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Unlike you, I have no more need to reply. lol
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10/02/2023 06:53 AM
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We shall see...liar.
You lost the entire argument. The government didn't get shut down. Loser! LMAOZ! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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10/02/2023 07:10 AM
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I would know you're an idiot? Shit you're right- I do know you're an idiot, Gary But then again, I'm a secret Republican.. well that's half true- I'm voting in your primary hahaha ------------------------- |
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10/02/2023 07:12 AM
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The
Government Didn't Shut Down..... LOSERS! L M A O!!! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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10/02/2023 07:27 AM
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Thank God- Kevin finally came to his senses and went to the Dems ------------------------- |
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10/02/2023 07:29 AM
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^Loser!
Running out of time . Looks like you're gonna be dead wrong yet again... Quite a record you've got going FishWrongz FACTOMUNDO! ® ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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