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The water is higher and it's hotter and birds and fish are migrating farther north. I'm still trying to figure out how the government is faking these things.

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Yes, 'higher and hotter" for sure, , , , ,but, the Governments are lying when they say that it will change.



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It was predicted by science. It happened, and continues to happen. Youtube videos don't change that fact.

Ding, you do understand that what this guy is saying isn't true, right?

http://english.scio.gov.cn/in-...content_116851319.htm

What has China done to address global climate challenges? The world's second-largest economy has halved carbon dioxide emission per unit of GDP, becoming a global leader in utilizing green and low-carbon energies, and actively promoting international cooperation on climate governance.

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Originally posted by: Cole The water is higher and it's hotter and birds and fish are migrating farther north. I'm still trying to figure out how the government is faking these things.
I'd advise you to try to stop figuring. You don't have the intellectual capacity to figure anything. You can save yourself a lot of frustration by foregoing that exercise. Mammoths used to live in Florida. They migrated north before humans did much of anything. It has been happening since animals arose from the primordial muck.

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I do not mean the the climate is not/will not change, , , , , it's just all the Government Bull shit about 'we can fix it', , , , , we will not.

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Saying that we are reducing carbon is not the same as being able to say that we have stopped sea rise.

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Originally posted by: dingpatch I do not mean the the climate is not/will not change, , , , , it's just all the Government Bull shit about 'we can fix it', , , , , we will not.
Correct. And the gov't knows that. This climate BS represents a completely different agenda. Good luck trying to educate the progs to this. Won't happen. They are Lenin's perfect useful idiots. It's no coinicdence that they are commies as well.

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: dingpatch

I do not mean the the climate is not/will not change, , , , , it's just all the Government Bull shit about 'we can fix it', , , , , we will not.


Correct. And the gov't knows that. This climate BS represents a completely different agenda. Good luck trying to educate the progs to this. Won't happen. They are Lenin's perfect useful idiots. It's no coinicdence that they are commies as well.


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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: dingpatch

I do not mean the the climate is not/will not change, , , , , it's just all the Government Bull shit about 'we can fix it', , , , , we will not.


Correct. And the gov't knows that. This climate BS represents a completely different agenda. Good luck trying to educate the progs to this. Won't happen. They are Lenin's perfect useful idiots. It's no coinicdence that they are commies as well.


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I do not mean the the climate is not/will not change, , , , , it's just all the Government Bull shit about 'we can fix it', , , , , we will not.
Correct. And the gov't knows that. This climate BS represents a completely different agenda.

Ok, folks: now that's funny. Not really ha-ha either.
Laughably stupid, wilfully ignorant.
What this implies is that decades worth of worldwide oceanographers, marine biologists, atmospheric physicists, chemists, and researchers: are ALL in on some profound scheme to stymie American economic growth?.............riiight

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Originally posted by: dingpatch

I do not mean the the climate is not/will not change, , , , , it's just all the Government Bull shit about 'we can fix it', , , , , we will not.


Is reducing pollution a bad thing?

Is more oil the answer?

Is sustainable power really that evil?



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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: Cole

The water is higher and it's hotter and birds and fish are migrating farther north. I'm still trying to figure out how the government is faking these things.


I'd advise you to try to stop figuring. You don't have the intellectual capacity to figure anything. You can save yourself a lot of frustration by foregoing that exercise. Mammoths used to live in Florida. They migrated north before humans did much of anything. It has been happening since animals arose from the primordial muck.


Volcanic activity changed the Earth back then. What is doing it now?



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But what does Sabine think?

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i was kidding lol

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Damn you klowns really are in a doomsday kult

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"Reducing" carbon is not quite the same as completely ending fossil fuel use. Until we do, , , , , nothing will change.

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Originally posted by: dingpatch

"Reducing" carbon is not quite the same as completely ending fossil fuel use. Until we do, , , , , nothing will change.


Less pollution is a good thing. Renewable energy isn't the enemy.



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Sponsored by Big Climate Change. Gov't's have spent trillions. Big oil, millions. Not surpisingly, you were hoaxed by the gov't.

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Sponsored by Big Climate Change. Gov't's have spent trillions. Big oil, millions. Not surpisingly, you were hoaxed by the gov't.


Big Oil knew about climate change decades ago and did all they could the bury it. Fossil fuel exhaust is one of the most dangerous things on the planet. Why do you guys want more of it?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-...e-change-denial






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An estimated 5.13 million (3.63 to 6.32) excess deaths per year globally are attributable to ambient air pollution from fossil fuel use and therefore could potentially be avoided by phasing out fossil fuels.

http://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38030155/

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Cole, I do not disagree with what you are saying but, fossil fuels are not going to go away. I wish we could "shut them off" but, , , , , how many nuke plants can we construct around the world in the next 5 years?

The EV 'dream' is not going to be available much longer unless and until we fucking DOUBLE our Grid with generation and distribution capacity immediately! Oh and that Four Letter 'generation' Word can only equal "fossil fuel" for the foreseeable future. Hmmmmmm.

Oh but, I'm guessing that I'm going to be the victim of an "oh, you just don't understand, , , , ,".

Perhaps the Thwaites Glacier could begin a small collapse sooner than later , , , ,. An overnight sea rise of 2 to 3 feet will work wonders for the "climate deniers".


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Originally posted by: dingpatch


Perhaps the Thwaites Glacier could begin a small collapse sooner than later , , , ,. An overnight sea rise of 2 to 3 feet will work wonders for the "climate deniers".




Careful what you wish for.. the barrier islands could be underwater if that thing goes, and from what I hear.. it's going.


Bokpablo's apocalypse compound better be on high ground, otherwise he fell for it again..

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The Thwaites Glacier only needs tostart to look 'funny' and property on the barrier islands will be worthless overnight, as in "no economic life".

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It's all a democratic hoax.
A Chinese plot to ruin merka's economy
and blah blah, oink oink
So just do nothing and listen to your fat orange messiah.....
he knows more than the world's pre-eminent oceanographic and atmospheric scientists we have at our disposal
duuhhhhhh....

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If the government was about reducing carbon they would make a big push for nuclear. They are not. They are about controlling you and taking your money on the false premise that they can control the climate.
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Where are they taking my money?

Power in the US is private. The power companies make their own decisions. Yes, I know the Right blames government for ditching coal, but like most things, they are wrong once again. The producers switched to natural gas because it was cheaper.

And if you say regulation is the reason, I will reply, "Do you want more toxic pollution from coal fire plants? Do you want Mercury in your fish? Do you crave a shorter lifespan?"

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We could've done something about it.
Instead, we chose to give power to the planet rapists.
They promised us we'd be rich too.
It's the lure of easy money
It's got a very strong appeal
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Yet, , , , , , way back in 1970, Senior year at Satellite High, my term science paper/project was about the whole ball of 'environment' wax (I got an A+ but, that was a 'problem').

Anyway, after my presentation to the class, the #1 'smart girl', front-and-center, raised her hand and asked if I was a Communist, because her father says that people like you (me) are Communists! Hmmmmmmm, , , ,

Oh and, the 'problem' was that SHE was the one who was SUPPOSED to get the A+. My 'win' denied her 'curve' of a point-or-two that she needed to be Number 1 !! Well ya, you see, I was a 'bad' student who never turned in homework, etc., , ,.

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Originally posted by: dingpatch

Anyway, after my presentation to the class, the #1 'smart girl', front-and-center, raised her hand and asked if I was a Communist, because her father says that people like you (me) are Communists!



So sounds like Satty hasn't changed a bit.



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A lot of Chicken Littles on this forum. Jeez, people, if you are worried about some glacier, move. While that would seem to be a relatively straight forward thought process, you are, after all, progs. So, I thought I would make it clear what your next step should be. You might think about Martha's Vineyard. Obama has a beach house there and since he can lower the tides, you should be safe there.

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

A lot of Chicken Littles on this forum.



Plenty of ostriches too. Head in the sand, bent over, showing their asses.

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Well, Rusty, progs have not been exactly stellar in their predictions, have they? We're already underwater. I will stick to my infallible method of decision making, which is the opposite of whatever progs are saying is true. Thus, I am preparing for global cooling. I am putting up green houses on the farm for that. I am making them extra strong so that snow doesn't collapse them.

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The entire climate change agenda is simply a vehicle the Democrats use to launder our tax dollars to their radical supporters. They use the Ukraine war as a vehicle to send our tax dollars abroad. Why do you think Democrats are so vehemently opposed to appointing anyone to oversee where this money is going. I don't care whether organizations like the one mentioned in the video below exist but my tax dollars shouldn't be used to fund this horse shit.



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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Well, Rusty, progs have not been exactly stellar in their predictions, have they? We're already underwater. I will stick to my infallible method of decision making, which is the opposite of whatever progs are saying is true. Thus, I am preparing for global cooling. I am putting up green houses on the farm for that. I am making them extra strong so that snow doesn't collapse them.


Cleanup following another house collapse at Rodanthe

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The destruction of 6 houses on a beach is proof of man-caused global warming? Well, you guys did fall for the Russian collusion hoax with less evidence. At least progs are consistent in the hoax department.

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What kind of SUV do you think this ancient whale, found in the Peruvian desert, drove?

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But, and yet again, the very, very, fine line between "human caused" and "it aint happining" is bizarre, I don't give a fuck, it is happening. Human, or not.

To deny human causes is one thing but, to deny that there is no warming is just bizarre.

Okay, and yes, maybe not wholly human but, , , , you try to point out some rather disturbing facts and you are refuted with "it's all junk science", , , , , WTF?

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Anyway, after my presentation to the class, the #1 'smart girl', front-and-center, raised her hand and asked if I was a Communist, because her father says that people like you (me) are Communists! Hmmmmmmm, , , ,
Well, if you reference my current post about Florida being the only state using extremist anti science videos to indoctrinate impressionable kids.
According to their twisted fascist dogma:: your classroom presentation makes you a Nazi.
Can't make this shit up, folks

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I am a very proud Communist Nazi!!!!!

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The only fallout from changing the physical and chemical properties of the atmosphere and seas is glacier melt.
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Pete Buttigieg gets $7.5B to build EV chargers all over the country.

So far, the FHA says that they have built "7 or 8" charging centers total. LOL Where's all that money going Mayor Pete? Those are some expensive charging stations.

It's all a scam to use our tax dollars to pay for our own Red Dawn with our own money.

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Well judging by who you'll be voting for..

looks like she was right

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What????

I know that Ralph Nader is a Communist but, who says he's a Nazi?

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Nader? Communist? Nazi?

You guys really think these terms are interchangeable and apply to a classic misguided liberal?

Bottom line on climate - it's too little, too late. I hate to be that cynical, but I think a lot of the busy work and hand wringing is to keep people distracted while the wealthy class grabs as much cash as possible and moves to higher ground. We should all be making plans for survival.

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck Nader? Communist? Nazi? You guys really think these terms are interchangeable and apply to a classic misguided liberal? Bottom line on climate - it's too little, too late. I hate to be that cynical, but I think a lot of the busy work and hand wringing is to keep people distracted while the wealthy class grabs as much cash as possible and moves to higher ground. We should all be making plans for survival.
Correct. This climate nonsense is a plan to reward billionaire pro-slaver donors with billions of our tax dollars. None of it will lower any temperature one iota. Your plans for survival should be to move to the California mountains. Seems pretty simple to me.

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I plan to be on a hillside veranda sipping espresso overlooking the Adriatic.

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't reduce fossil fuel consumption, reduce pollution, and avoid excess carbon emissions. I not suggesting anyone act like a dick.

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck I plan to be on a hillside veranda sipping espresso overlooking the Adriatic. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't reduce fossil fuel consumption, reduce pollution, and avoid excess carbon emissions. I not suggesting anyone act like a dick.
Certainly a better choice than Ca. Reducing fossil fuel consumption is acting like a dick, btw. Condemning billions of people to poverty is not a nice thing to do.

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Yes, we perhaps can do more than a few things to slow the current temperature rise but, the facts remain, , , , , ,

We are currently in one of the coldest 'periods' of the last 500,000 years. When 'all the dice' are rolled, just about everything comes up saying that our current 'temperature' has nowhere to go but up!!??

Again, ice cores show that there have been very 'dramatic' changes in as little as 75 years!!! Get used to sea level rise.

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tpapablo

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Yep. Instead of wasting all this money on a futile cause, we should be working on mitigation, like more AC's.

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This is a novel way to fight progress, subsidize the inefficient. Let me guess, Tpap, you felt so bad for all those candlemakers that you refused to put lights in your house

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I am in favor of progress. If those who have been hoaxed by global warming were to have their way, we would have to resort to candles again. Might not even have that.

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