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Topic Title: The Last Run of Surf
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Created On: 11/27/2019 01:23 AM
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 The Last Run of Surf   - SurferSince1965 - 11/27/2019 01:23 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - Central Floridave - 11/27/2019 06:21 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - Cole - 11/27/2019 07:27 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - SurferSince1965 - 11/27/2019 08:12 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - Cole - 11/27/2019 10:43 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - Plan B - 11/28/2019 06:54 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - rc - 11/28/2019 08:00 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - grdsurf - 11/28/2019 08:26 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - Cole - 11/28/2019 06:19 PM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - SurferSince1965 - 11/29/2019 01:30 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - SurfAddict - 11/29/2019 05:43 PM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - SurfAddict - 11/29/2019 05:59 PM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - rc - 11/30/2019 06:02 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - rc - 11/30/2019 06:14 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - rc - 11/30/2019 06:21 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - SurferSince1965 - 12/03/2019 01:54 PM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - rc - 12/03/2019 04:04 PM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - SurferSince1965 - 12/04/2019 03:54 AM  
 The Last Run of Surf   - stringbender - 11/30/2019 06:39 AM  
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 11/27/2019 08:12 AM
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SurferSince1965

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And then our local governments will let them rebuild after we put more sand on the beach, insane. I love how they tell us they are only going to bury 3 acres of reef, what a lie, they are going to bury 10 miles of reef which is all of it except for PAFB.

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 11/27/2019 10:43 AM
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Cole

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Mark Reality has never recovered from the last dump and here we go again.

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 11/28/2019 06:54 AM
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Plan B

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The new sand is especially significant for Satellite Beach and Indian Harbour Beach. Those two beaches were left out of the larger federal sand-pumping projects from Cape Canaveral to Melbourne Beach over the past two decades, because the federal government protects the offshore coquina rock outcroppings there. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration designates the rocks as essential fish habitat. The rocks provide shelter for fish and substrate for Sabellariid, a somewhat rare marine worm. But after years of studies and permitting, the federal government allowed a dredging project, which offsets the 3 acres of the offshore coquina rock that the project will bury with a $10.6 million, 4.8-acre man-made reef. " - TRANSLATION SOMEONE GOT PAAAAAID! Sorry to hear this guys...... Middles and Blowhole never fully recovered up here from a project like this... and we dont even have natural reef bottoms.
 11/28/2019 08:00 AM
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If this is any consolation, the sand they put in Sat Bch in winter 2018 is all gone. The coquina reef is a big conern as that is and always has been the common denominator to Sat Bch's, and one major spot in particular, preservation of a 3-4 A-frame peak lineup since the mid-1970s that I know of.

Speaking of that last swell, it was so damn good because of the 45 degree swell dire tion. Those lows that go off Georgia and the track it took could not have been better.

Looks like some mild fun coming Sunday as well.
 11/28/2019 08:26 AM
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One of the better Sat Bch breaks effecting bathymetry is way offshore. Nearshore/beach sand will not effect that mechanism. What it most likely will do is create backwash until it's washed away by subsequent major swell events. Near term shorebreak would be affected, long term the sand will erode and build back just like the natural sand has always done. Interestingly the last major N swell seemed to add sand to the dune line based on where it is on the stairs that go down to the sand. I guess you've got to protect your tax base at all cost. Huge condos almost on the dune line have to be the ugliest monstrosities imaginable. To bad the building codes/zoning aren't like Bradenton where I don't think there are any structures over two stories on the beach....could be wrong on that...but that's what I recall.

Edited: 11/29/2019 at 08:57 AM by grdsurf
 11/28/2019 06:19 PM
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Satellite is like old school Jersey; anything for a buck.

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 11/29/2019 01:30 AM
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SurferSince1965

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Selling their souls to change "our sleepy little town" as one moron from NY said at a "sustainability board" meeting recently.

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 11/29/2019 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by: rc If this is any consolation, the sand they put in Sat Bch in winter 2018 is all gone. The coquina reef is a big conern as that is and always has been the common denominator to Sat Bch's, and one major spot in particular, preservation of a 3-4 A-frame peak lineup since the mid-1970s that I know of. Speaking of that last swell, it was so damn good because of the 45 degree swell dire tion. Those lows that go off Georgia and the track it took could not have been better. Looks like some mild fun coming Sunday as well.
Unfortunately, the scope of this project is way more than the 2018 dune restoration project. This is a beach-widening project akin to the north reach area...aka Cocoa Beach. To make matters worse, this is a 50-year project where they will "re-nourish" every 2-years as needed. I'm not opposed to dune restoration, so long as it is with high-quality compatible sand, but I AM opposed to artificial beach widening and the burial/ repeated burial of our natural nearshore coquina reefs. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not expecting insignificant detrimental impacts to our surf breaks, especially on less than epic swells, notwithstanding the offshore bathymetry that favors certain breaks.

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 11/29/2019 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by: SurferSince1965 And then our local governments will let them rebuild after we put more sand on the beach, insane. I love how they tell us they are only going to bury 3 acres of reef, what a lie, they are going to bury 10 miles of reef which is all of it except for PAFB.
SS1965, you absolutely correct...while the county contends that only 10% of the natural coquina reef will be buried, make no mistake that they will bury 100%. It is ludicrous to believe otherwise. The reefs in PAFB are not immune either, as they will also be buried in this fiasco...the only difference is the funding...PAFB will fund this project on "their" beaches. God help us...

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 11/30/2019 06:02 AM
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rc

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SA, I hear you, this an attrocity. It appears all we can do is sit back and watch. There are those here who have attended numerous meetings to no avail. Check out Ordinance 1177: Notice of Change of Permitted Uses Section 30-903.

This meeting will take place Dec 4 at 7:00pm. In Sat Bch regarding Pelican Coast North Satellite Beach.

Among other things this proposes to change is removing the maximum stories a building can be, and changes to maximum building length.

Will they shoot for 20 stories like Daytona?

Our local and state governments are piling on bad after bad for our ocean resources.
 11/30/2019 06:14 AM
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Municode for Pelican Coast

They are wanting to amend sections 30-903 and 30-914

Edited: 11/30/2019 at 06:23 AM by rc
 11/30/2019 06:21 AM
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought I read in Fla Today where Mayor Frank Catino said that these are the bylaws set in place and he didn't like it any more than we do, but there's nothing any of us can do ... and now they are trying to change those by "REMOVING THE MAXIMUM STORIES A BUILDING CAN BE".

Am I missing something?

Edited: 11/30/2019 at 06:22 AM by rc
 12/03/2019 01:54 PM
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SurferSince1965

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rc, they have me confused and I bet they have a lot of us confused. They talk about the North side of Pelican Coast like it has different rules vs the South side. So I am never sure which rules apply to which side of PC? It would be great if someone asked the city attorney if any these changes need to go to the voters? If he lies then he is in jeopardy of losing his law license. Might have to get there early to sign in and ask myself. I am suspicious of the City of Satellite Beach government, I am not sure they are ethical.

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 12/03/2019 04:04 PM
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rc

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SS65, John Stone (chief building official for SB) told me 3 years ago that the Oceana Condo was giving 25 feet on the south side of the twin monsters only to find out it was a verbal committment. I know I keep repeating myself, but it speaks to honesty and it appears to be lacking.

A developer asks for no maximum height limit on a building and you look them in the eye and say no. WTH
 12/04/2019 03:54 AM
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SurferSince1965

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Sent the City Manager and every Council member an email this morning asking them directly if this had to go to the voters for approval. If not why not? Could not be more direct in my question. If I don't get a reply I will be there tonight to ask the same question. Do you realize the change they are requesting has NO height limit???

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