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 04/06/2020 08:24 AM
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RustyTruck

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http://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/...zier-modly/index.html

"The Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly blasted the now ousted commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as "stupid" in an address to the ship's crew Monday morning, in remarks obtained by CNN.

Modly told the crew that their former commander, Capt. Brett Crozier, was either "too naive or too stupid" to be in command or that he intentionally leaked to the media a memo in which he warned about coronavirus spreading aboard the aircraft carrier and urged action to save his sailors."

...A defense official familiar with Modly's remarks offered his opinion of Modly's address, saying the acting secretary "should be fired. I don't know how he survives this day."
As of Monday, 173 of the ship's crew have now tested positive for coronavirus and 61% of the crew have been tested, according to a Navy official.

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 04/06/2020 08:27 AM
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Cole

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Trump loves our soldiers. lol
 04/06/2020 08:56 AM
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Bamboo

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Considering that he is an Annapolis grad and was an officer in the Navy I'm surprised he thought that was a good message to give to the crew.
Unless he was actually addressing an audience of one.

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 04/06/2020 08:57 AM
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RustyTruck

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I'm not a military person but shit like this makes be glad I skipped that trip to Jacksonville back in 87.

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 04/06/2020 09:02 AM
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HAPDigital

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He actually deserves his punishment as he broke the chain of command. However, he is a hero. Heroes don't always follow rules. It is a really sad situation. Military and war was the inspiration for term catch 22 after all.

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 04/06/2020 09:06 AM
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Crozier apparently was stupid and richly deserved to be relieved of his command. That sort of thing really does endanger our country.

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 04/06/2020 09:07 AM
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HAPDigital

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Crozier apparently was stupid and richly deserved to be relieved of his command. That sort of thing really does endanger our country.


^knows absolutely nothing about the military... NOTHING

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 04/06/2020 09:43 AM
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Jack a$$ move by the acting twitler appointee. He called the Captain's regard for his crew stupid... to the crew. Special kind of a-holes working for twitler.

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 04/06/2020 10:16 AM
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I think Crozier was desperate and acted like it with a desperate move. I agree with hap. He violated the chain of command and he is a hero for doing so. This is what Martin Luther King had to explain to his people. He loved the law so much that when he saw a bad law and decided to break it, he knew he had to suffer the sentence for breaking that bad law as if it were a good law. Crozier will suffer professionally for sure. His storied career is done. He knew that when he decided to sacrifice that for his sailors lives. That is exactly what a hero does. His crew cheered him off as he was removed and even if the world views this through whatever perspective their politics enjoys, those men and women sailors know that this sacrifice saved lives.

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 04/06/2020 10:32 AM
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He knew following the chain would have lead to disaster.

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 04/06/2020 11:25 AM
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Another great response from Jim Wright:

The Acting Secretary of the Navy, Thomas Modly -- whose sum total qualification for his job was that he was once a junior helicopter pilot who became an investment banker and Trump campaign donor -- visited the USS Theodore Roosevelt this morning and chasitized the crew over the ship's announcing system.

He called Captain Crozier "too stupid or too naive to be a commanding officer of a ship like this."

That's right. The US Navy Secretary, told the crew of a stricken warship that their Commanding Officer -- and you'd have to understand the DECADES of work, experience, education, and determination it takes to become the Commanding Officer of a US Navy Aircraft Carrier -- was too stupid and too naive to be their Commanding Officer.

Too stupid and too naive, because he stood up for them.

Modly literally made that announcement over the ship's 1MC (the general announcing system) to the very crew who Crozier had sacrificed his career for.

I can't imagine the staggering arrogance it takes to do something like this.

Modly went on to say Captain Crozier had somehow betrayed not only the Trump Administration, and Modly personally, but also them, the crew.

Modly: "So think about that when you cheer the man off the ship who exposed you to that. I understand you love the guy. It's good that you love him. But you're not required to love him."

Can you imagine saying THAT to the crew of a warship whose Captain sacrificed his career for their lives?

This is the epitome of the Trump Administration, of modern Republicanism, right here. The staggering arrogance of unqualified fools.

Modly was especially outraged the media reported Captain Crozier's concerns to the American people -- and his comments DIRECTLY implied the Trump Administration's repeated message that the media -- one of the very institutions called out BY NAME in the US Constitution and thus the very thing those Sailors are sworn to defend with their lives -- is the enemy of America.

Modly: "Crew of the Teddy Roosevelt. you are no obligation to love your leadership, only to respect it. You are under no obligation to like your job, only to do it. You are under no obligation, you are under no obligation, to expect anything from leaders other than they will treat you fairly and put the mission of the ship first. Because it is the mission of the ship that matters."

And there it is.

THERE it is.

Right there.

Exactly as I told you, in his own words.

YOU don't matter.

YOU shouldn't expect anything from your leaders.

The MISSION comes first.

And the mission is to die heroically and not make the civilians look bad.

I fucking told you.

On the deckplates -- and whatever the proper term is in the other services -- sure, the NCOs and the Officers might put their people first. That's what we tell ourselves, anyway. But once you get to the Pentagon, once you get to the politicians in charge, PEOPLE. DO. NOT. MATTER.

They can always get more people.

If people actually mattered, there wouldn't be a black marble wall stretching across the Washington Mall with 58,000 names on it -- lost to political adventurism and the folly of rich think-tank whiz kids who believed that war was about spreadsheets and were willing to throw just as many American bodies at it as was necessary to prove the size of their president's dick.

I fucking TOLD you so.

And there it is in Modly's own words. You don't have to like it. You just have to do it. And don't expect anything from your leaders, because we don't owe you anything.

But, even that bit about the mission coming first is a lie.

What comes FIRST, is politics.

That's Modly's complaint in his own words. You made me look bad. You made the Navy look bad. You made Trump look bad. And for that, you'll pay.

Modly: "I cannot control or attempt to change whatever anger you have with for relieving your beloved CO. If I could offer you a glimpse of the level of hatred and pure evil that has been thrown my way, my family's way over this decision, I would."

Predictable as clockwork.

YOU should die without complaint.

ME, well, man, you don't know how hard I got it.

Modly, telling the crew of a sticken warship, men and women that may die due to failures of Modly's own leadership, that he, Modly, is the real victim. They should feel sorry for him, you see. He's getting some hate mail. People are saying mean things about him. That's way worse than dying of some disease.

"It's not about me," Modly continued. Oh, really? Then why bring it up? Those sailors, Captain Crozier (who has himself now tested positive for the virus), THEY all have families too. But Modly didn't mention THEM. Just himself.

And just in case you doubt me, case you doubt this was nothing more than a campaign stop, Modly continued: "The former Vice President of the United States, Joe Biden, suggested just yesterday that my decision was criminal. I assure you that it was not."

Yeah.

It's not about politics, but lemme just get in a dig about Trump's chief political rival. Sure. Totally not about politics though.

Modly finished with: "I understand that you may be angry with me for the rest of your lives. I guarantee that you won't be alone. Being angry is not your duty. Your duty is to each other, to this ship, and to the nation that built it for you to protect them."

Your duty is to each other -- well, okay, maybe not EVERYBODY on the ship. You duty isn't to the Captain who felt HIS duty was to YOU first and foremost. No. Not that. But, you know, to each other, sure, so long as the other guy doesn't make Trump look bad. We good? Okay.

Your duty is to the nation, right? So long as you don't embarrass that nation by dying publically, because then fuck you.

Alfred, Lord Tennyson, had it right all those years ago. Yours is not to reason why, yours is to but do and die.

Into the Valley of Death.

And THAT is the only truth of military service.
 04/06/2020 12:08 PM
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Ummmmm, , , , The Captain should have pushed as hard as possible but, ONLY up his chain of command. He should have NEVER made it "public". A Commander who would be in a position to knowingly send his subordinates to their deaths in combat knows better. He let the world know that his ship, a vital technical and strategic combat asset, was compromised. In an instance like this, the condition of the crew would be a highly held SECRET. He broke a lot of rules.
 04/06/2020 12:21 PM
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HAPDigital

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That's assuming his chain was legit. I highly doubt this "acting" navy sec that insults a commander publicly to a crew would be willing to listen to the situation at hand. You think he did this willy nilly? It was calculated. He weighed his options and scenarios, no doubt. He wasn't stupid and he saved lives.

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 04/06/2020 01:26 PM
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"saved lives" has not much weight in this. Again, he openly revealed that a Very Critical and Vital U.S. Navy combat asset had been compromised. And, again, the condition of the crew in such instances would be a very closely held Top Secret. He certainly knew better than to do what he did.

I'm sorry that this is in direct conflict with your My Little Pony world view.

Edited: 04/06/2020 at 01:28 PM by dingpatch
 04/06/2020 01:27 PM
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Some folks, when they see a grenade about to kill their brothers in arms, jump on it.

Lesser men run away.

And then there are those who are not men at all, were never there in the first place because they've been in hiding all along. Tpap and Capn Bonespurs come to mind.



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 04/06/2020 01:35 PM
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Greensleeves

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"openly revealed"?

No one has stated how the info was leaked. It could have been by someone in the twitler circle so they could fire the Captain. Or is that too smart for a twitler supporter to do/fathom? Indeed we have a trump appointee doing the dirty work of firing and then calling the Captain stupid to his sailors.

ding sold on the good of the twitler administration, a solid supporter.

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RustyTruck

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I hope every high school senior who's thinking about the military things very carefully about cases like this BEFORE they get themselves into a situation like those sick kids.

Sorry kids, if you think your leaders give a shit about you, might as well stay home and play with your little ponies. They want kids who will do with they're told and die quietly so as not to hurt business.

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Yep this is why joining the military, sadly, is fucked.

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 04/06/2020 01:45 PM
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HAPDigital

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Originally posted by: fishkller

Yep this is why joining the military, sadly, is fucked.


I love the military and the time I spent serving. However, I'm very glad I served during wise leadership. Trump is not someone I would want to serve under, nor his "acting" lackeys.

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Edited: 04/06/2020 at 01:45 PM by HAPDigital
 04/06/2020 02:59 PM
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dingpatch

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The Captain sent his complaint email to 20 (or so) people, through insecure channels.
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