The new GOP majority wants Fauci to explain under oath how he ruined lives and the economy by advocating shutdowns, masks and social distancing.

As of today, there are more than 82,875 dead from Covid. http://www.google.com/search?q...l=en-us&client=safari

People are still dying and the GOP priority once they get in is to attack Fauci and have him look like the cause of Covid rather than a scientist and a doctor mitigating its effects.

From the Hill:
>> When he announced his imminent retirement in August, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) responded: "Never in our nation's history has one arrogant bureaucrat destroyed more people's lives."

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) told a rally around the same time, "Someone needs to grab that little elf and chuck him across the Potomac."

Larry Gostin, a Georgetown Law professor who specializes in public health - and a longtime friend of Fauci's - told this column that he believed Republicans bringing the infectious diseases expert to face their wrath on Capitol Hill would be "politically, a very unwise move."<<

This is a good indication of where the GOP is. My guess is that Fauci, who has testified before congress countless times and needs no held defending himself, will take their lunch money.


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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

He did what he could with what he had.

Just imagine having to work around the idiot Trump.

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The irony is the people who died. Their political affiliations were mostly red. The GOP ignorance and willful refusal to accept the truth killed their own for the most part.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

And the willful ignorance continues..........

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Please stop feeding the trolls - they will go away if you do...

You can say that again. Still no one has been able to rebut any of these facts/arguments.

The virus originated in a lab funded by Fauci. Whether or not the funds were used for this particular study depends on what version of "Gain of Function" you adhere to. The long standing definition or the revised one put out by the NIH.

We were told how deadly this virus is.....but simple math yields a survival rate of almost 99% (.

We were told the only way to beat this was a 2 week lock down, followed by a mandated vaccine (were told a mandate would never happen). We were also told this vaccine would stop the infection and spread of this disease. It does neither, so the script was flipped to say "well, it helps the symptoms". (those that saw this and read between the lines....were considered a conspiracy theorists)

Then, we were told we must take this vaccine, that doesn't do anything to stop the spread and/or infection of this virus, otherwise we'd be punished financially, or segregated from the community.

Oh yeah....remember how safe we were told this vaccine is? Turns out it does/can cause heart inflammation and in some cases, death.

Everything stated above contains objective statements with the facts employed to back them up. As in, they all literally happened. (<- READ THAT AGAIN) So, tying it all together, this virus originated from a lab in China, that was funded by the NIH, that the world government reacted to by forcing draconian laws/lock downs, and mandated a vaccine has been proven to be ineffective. Also, if you choose not to inject this vaccine, which doesn't stop the spread or infection of this virus but may cause other long term issues, you would be punished financially and/or segregated from society.......all over a virus with almost 99% survival rate

Sorry to break it to you, but unless you can offer anything of substance to rebuke anything I just said......its YOU that are being willfully ignorant.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

There is a complete lack of evidence that the virus started in a lab. The lab in Wuhan was jointly funded at that time, which means that China and the U.S. collaborated on a weaponzed virus together. Do you believe that? Or, this virus originated in wuhan after it jumped from bats to people. The origin might be confused with the cause. But even if you believe that China and the US created a deadly virus, why would Fauci be vilified for trying to prevent the weapons transmission?

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Applying simple math to complex systems inevitably leads to incorrect results. That's why math is "hard".

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On your side. You guys made fools out of yourselves (again), and many of you jeopardized your health for good measure.

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As of right now, per the CDC:
Number of reported cases: 98,481,551
Number of deaths: 1,075,779

Can someone please do the hard math for me, and tell me what percent of reported cases ended up in death?

The math I learned, tells me 1,075,779 is 1.09% of 98,481,551, so 1.09% people that got COVID in the USA died. The same math tells me that if 1.09% died then 98.91% survived.

Where am I wrong?


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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

You're wrong. The virus came from that region, and there's evidence it came from the lab.

evidence

You're beloved Fauci just said yesterday he's open to that idea (once again, a complete 180)

The rest of your statement is subjective speculation. But the facts do still stand, it came from the region, with evidence it came from the lab...and the mutations that allowed it to jump from bat to human....also show signs of manipulation. All of this came out.....swept under the rug....and now coming out again. How you continually support the ones holding the broom, and continue to mock the ones who have been right all along.....is fascinating to me.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Edited: 11/29/2022 at 09:08 AM by OBX

A 2020 article from an obscure source that states at the top, "the best evidence yet indicates the virus may be from a lab."

Maybe
May be not

An inference is not evidence.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

If only it wasn't considered "racist" at the time to claim it came from China, and/or we actually investigated/looked for said evidence at that time.

It's almost like the broom sweepers didn't want to do it for some reason........weird.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Covid killed over one million Americans.

For perspective, 3,000 people died on 9/11. If my math is correct that's a death rate of 0.000001, so what's the big deal with all the memorials, wars, and cheesy remembrances?
And you're still going to take your shoes off and arrive at the airport an extra hour early because of it.



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Edited: 11/29/2022 at 10:18 AM by RustyTruck

Swing....and a miss.....horrible comparison, Rusty.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

You dismiss a million deaths in the USA alone in order to promote your silly conspiracy theories. You clearly don't understand probabilities at scale.

More Americans died of Covid than died during World War One, World War Two, and Vietnam combined. But do go on about 1%.

It correlates with your percentage of functioning brain cells apparently.







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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Clutch them pearls, Rusty! Still doesn't change the fact that you're scared of a virus with a survival rate of 99%, still doesn't change the fact that government's response was of shear, and utter incompetence. But at least we know how easily you'll cower to give up your rights and lick that boot!! You do make a good Commie.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

I'm not scared of a damn thing. Vaxed, boosted, never had Covid, good to go.

You're more scared of the vax than I am of the disease yah pussy.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Most likely. Why would anyone not over the age of 80 and loaded with co-morbidities be in the least bit worried about the disease? You'd have to be an utter fool.

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Dr. Fauci's efforts throughout his career have saved millions of lives.....period.
Piggy and the magatard chumpscum swine anti vaxxers are merely following their fat orange messiah's directives, to shift blame from his utterly clueless response to the pandemic.
Concocting all these insane fantasy "explanations" instead of recognizing that his failure to listen to the best infectious and transmissible disease experts on the planet led directly to over a hundred thousand needless american deaths.
The "demon sperm" and "alien dna" nigerian witch doktari/ voodoo priestess for example.
But huff some mo' horse dewormer with a glass of aquarium cleaner, napoleon.....i'm sure it will go well for you
duuhhhh

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Edited: 11/29/2022 at 02:54 PM by nukeh2o

A lot of people took that position, and then found out they drew a bad card.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

The vaccine is a good thing.

http://www.scientificamerican....d-unvaccinated-people/

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First Line of your article....

The death rate among unvaccinated people is still far higher than that among the vaccinated even though vaccinated people now make up a significant proportion of deaths

1st it was.....take the vaccine and you won't get sick/spread the disease

Then it was, take the vaccine to lesson the symptoms. Or, in other terms, take the vaccine and you won't die

Now its coming out that even though you're vaccinated....you can/will still die. AND all of a sudden SADS (Sudden Adult Death Syndrome) is rampart in the medical community.

Increase in SADS


I honestly can't imagine being so brainwashed with hatred towards a political party....that you overlook the utter incompetence of your own, the obvious bias in "reporting" news.....and continue to be so willfully ignorant. Its almost like you're such a weak man , your ego would rather you be right.....then learn the truth. Which, lets face it, most men that make up the libtard army are nothing more than pearl clutching hypocrites void of any critical thought. Pathetic sheep that only bring insults to the table and run when challenged to rebuke arguments with objectively formed opinions. Its no wonder why you guys make such useful idiots for the establishment. The very establishment that continues to fck you while you worship them.



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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

You skip right over the rate part. You know you can still die from measles even if you are vaccinated? Rates matter. Rampant eh? Increase in SADS Wow, first hits are all crackpot anti-vaxxers. That is your "medical community"? You demonstrate it for everybody every time you post. So the truth you are offering isn't right? Interesting. Vitriolic spittle complains of other people bringing insults. Not ironic. Nope. Where's the objective facts when the first several hits on the evidence link are from blatant pseudoscience websites? Sunfellow notes? Vaccineimpact.com? covidblog? hopegirlblog? Really?

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Edited: 11/30/2022 at 03:25 PM by scombrid

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Edited: 12/01/2022 at 05:21 AM by OBX

Those are statistics. Think of them as pearls of wisdom. Clutch away.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Statistics being taken out of context, in an attempt to deflect from the FACT that COVID has a 99% chance survival rate.

In other words......WILLFULL IGNORANCE.



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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Dead wrong as it turned out. All that advice from Fauci they couldn't take.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

No...it was all the bald faced lies and mandates on fake information that we couldn't take,

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

But convincing the MAGAts that a vaccine infringed upon their freedoms drew a cultural war line in the sand they could divide and conquer with. It was a cynical decision that used the deaths as the price they were willing to pay to keep power. It was very effective with MAGAts. Some even used their dying breath to beg that no one be told they died of Covid so the liberals and freedom haters wouldn't get the satisfaction of being right. That's what I mean when I say dead wrong.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Y'all are free to give up your freedoms. We chose to fight for ours. If you are content to be slaves to the gov't, I am sure we can accomodate you.

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There are those that died at home because they were convinced that the hospitals were deliberately killing people and blaming covid. I read on one of the pseudoscience sites linked above on the DuckDuckGo search engine that the hospitals are still deliberately injuring and killing people with ventilators for profit.

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You were never free from immunizations as a child. They were a mandated effort and because of them we don't deadly outbreaks of diseases you would have gotten otherwise. Perhaps if you were free to not get a polio vaccine and you got polio and walked around with a giant club foot for the remainder of your life you would reconsider hating your government or their efforts to protect its citizens. I like this idea because the Covid casualties died, they didn't have to live with the cost of their stupidity and visibly remind others. How do you feel about that freedom hating Jonas Salk?

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Here we go again.....although you're correct being forced to immunize at birth helped prevent the diseases being vaccinated against, your example fails the relevancy test because:

1. We the individual had no choice at that time (our parents did, though)
2. Those vaccines worked......this one doesn't.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Someone doesn't see the conflict in their own statements

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This vaccine does not prevent one from catching it, spreading it, or dying from it. No, it really doesn't work. As far as vaccinated dying at a lower rate, I haven't seen anything definitive demonstrating that. You have to take into account the people that die from the vaccine itself in that calculation. And that is happening.

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The polio and measles vaccines kill people. Just at way lower rates than the diseases. Same with tetanus and on and on.

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Do you ever wonder if tpap is just playing dumb to see how far he can drag obx/snipe/fish down the hole?

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It's all about the grift. There's a reason Oz, Mercola, et al. have taken their grift into right field. GOP is doing the same except with the goal of increasing corporate power and wealth through the regulatory and tax areas. Notice FK really likes pabby now.

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...'now coming out that you can die if you get vaccinated"...

Do we have a problem with comprehension, or are we just reading BS all day long..

Don't ever remember reading or hearing anything like that EVER from a credible source like Fauci etc..

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Please stop feeding the trolls - they will go away if you do...

Edited: 11/30/2022 at 05:27 PM by surfsail

Opie truly is a special needs case. lol

The death rate among the vaxxed is increasing because so many people have gotten the vaccine, but the rate of death between the unvaxxed and vaxxed is still 2 to 1. It was seven times worse with the more virulent strain that was Delta. Basically, we got lucky with Omicron; had it been bad, the numbers would have been devastating.

When you are vaxxed, your body is familiar with the invader and does what it can to fight it off. It's not a protective shield that bounces the invader off. You catch the bug, and then your immune system attacks it. Sometimes you feel symptoms, sometimes you don't.

Simple stuff really, but then again, I don't frequent propaganda web sites.






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Edited: 12/01/2022 at 05:25 AM by Cole

dr coalOZ has spoken.

If you are unvaxxed and over 65?

March 2022

Unvaxxed - 9.29 people in 100,000
Vaxxed - 1.18
Boosted - .55

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I was right.

Yep. Rates. And all OBX can do is uncritically quote cherry picked out of context garbage from some disinfo site called the expose blog. I encourage everybody to follow that link and click on its main blog page to see his 'truth'.

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His source claims that the vaccine is killing people because more vaccinated people are dying from all causes than unvaccinated people. That is the graphs they posted from the UK NHS. Can anybody spot the abuse of statistics they commit to reach that conclusion when the vast majority of the population is vaccinated? Anybody hazard to guess why they don't post within-group mortality rates rather than total deaths?

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Oh and please do go read that blog where you can learn that the NEJM has concluded that the vaccine causes AIDS. Learn that the vaccine contains graphene and nanotechnology. Learn that virology is a fraud. And a whole host of information about chemtrails and the full history of vaccine attacks on the population. This source is the best.

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Because it is irrelevant, most likely. Let's take a little trip down memory lane. First, you goobers claimed that the vaccine would prevent you from getting covid. You fell for that lie. Then you wankers fell back to arguing that it stopped you from transmitting covid and that you were saving the human race by getting vaccinated. You fell for that lie. Then you twits, started claiming that it saves you from severe disease. You fell for that lie. Now, you imbeciles are reduced to arguing that, " statisically speaking, we are dying at a lower rate than the unvaccinated." Probably a lie too. What's the next justification for your stupidity, progs? Let me take a guess. "Well, yeah, we're dropping like flies, but we lasted longer than we would have had we not gotten the vaccine." That's one of the wonderful things about progs, you can con them forever without them catching on. Had I been stupid enough to serve as a Guinea Pig for a lightly tested, brand new category of experimental drug that had never been used on humans before, I would have been done with it once I learned that it doesn't prevent the disease it is supposed to prevent. Not progs though.

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It does prevent it for some people.

It does shorten the time of infection. That equates to less spread.

Data clearly says the unvaxxed die at a higher rate.





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Anyone care to explain why they exclude the size of each cohort from this figure? The data were retrieved from the Office for National Statistics but the graph was made by OBX's source. Also, what might be difference in demographics between all the cohorts?

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Edited: 12/02/2022 at 06:51 AM by scombrid

Why is it you do nothing but attack the source, offer distraction, and fail to stay on topic. Are you suggesting that none of the below is true?

- Doctors in Australia are developing the country's first SADS registry after recent frequency of healthy, you people dying.

- Official UK Office for National Statistics data shows vaccinated adults aged 18 to 39 have a 92% higher mortality rate (per 100,000) than unvaccinated adults.

- Official Public Health Scotland data reveals there has been a 67% increase compared to the historical average in the number of 15 to 44-year-olds suffering heart attacks, cardiac arrest, myocarditis, stroke, and other cardiovascular diseases since this age group was first offered the Covid-19 injection.

- figures published by NHS England in response to a freedom of information request show that ambulance call-outs for heart illness have doubled among all age groups including the under 30's since the beginning of the Covid-19 vaccination campaign.

This is all I have brought up in context....to back up my claim that this vaccine is not as safe as we're being told, its not working the way we're being told, and therefore we should be critical of what we are being sold via the narrative

None of your diatribe, or your flock of Chesters screaming "get em spike" have addressed any of that. Either you are saying the facts I presented are all a lie, or you're saying the Office of National Statistics is "fake news" which can't be trusted. Which is it, Scom? Offer some fcking substance for once, instead of snark. Your whataboutisms, false equivalences, and distractions are tiring, and a weak attempt at trying to prove a point. What is your point anyways? You still arguing that the vaccine is perfectly safe? You still arguing it works the way its intended too/we were sold it would?

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Did I confuse you? Are you that bad at math?

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No, I see right through your attempt at distraction and whataboutisms. Let's try again, Scom.

Let's keep it simple. Do you, or do you not agree, that this experimental vaccine isn't working the way we were initially told, the script has flipped multiple times as the "why" we should be taking it in the 1st place, and there are now cases coming out that people have died from it.

Let's see if you're able to keep things simple, if you don't agree with anything just said, then which one is not a fact.

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"Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain

Rate? Every vaccine has killed people. Rates matter. Your source in this thread is bypassing cohort specific rates and cherry picking absolute numbers. Why are you doing that if the facts are in your favor?

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Obie wants the kids in the deep end to come play in the kiddie pool. Ain't happenin'. Arm floaties maybe?

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Suggesting?

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A doctor created a registry but not due to an increase in occurrence of SADS. This claim is misleading. This is bullshit. I've already explained why. This is just like playing whack-a-mole with 9/11 Truthers, Flat Earthers, Chemtrailers, Birthers, Young Earth Creationists...

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Quite a few people do regret getting the vaccination. I am sure the same is true with those who did not get vaccinated, but you are wrong on no regrets.

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No...you in fact are the special needs case....because you obviously can't read simple sentence.

Go back to 3rd grade...James....learn how to read a simple sentence!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

^Grade A Bullshit! Hell no that's NOT true!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

7x higher for the unvaccinated vs. those with just the initial vaccine
About double that compared to those with a booster
For people under 50
The risk for unvaccinated increases with age

99 percent survival rate is pretty shitty. Compare that one percent case fatality rate to dreaded diseases like Polio.

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Why are they so bad at understanding rates?

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...don't you wish.

I've actually contemplated taking tpap fishing.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Just because Mr. "Crimes Against Humanity' retired in no way removes him from the legal issues that are about to be bestowed upon his deserving ass.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Thank you scom. That is the fatal flaw of their "data." And yet, opie comes on and talks about the narrative and the courage to think outside of it as if ignorance were courage.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Maybe it does take some sort of courage to be that dumb in public. Keep your chin up Opie! You be you.


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^lol!^ Is this public? I think it's easier to be dumb online, behind a screen name rather in real public. On the other hand, there are MAGA hats....

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Opie has made the full transformation into

Q-BX THE FAULTY

Lord of the single brain cell!

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Slow down there Tpap. This is science so its new and different to you. You probably don't like it because it doesn't let you believe whatever you want and you can't start with the conclusion first, but you need to understand this. The sample group, the one they used, did not include unvaccinated people so their conclusions missed out on the entire population in favor of the small sample group. You can do this, it wont be easy, it may take time and you will lose some friends, but you will understand how and why these graphs are science the way the inquisition was about religion.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

"Official UK Office for National Statistics data shows vaccinated adults aged 18 to 39 have a 92% higher mortality rate (per 100,000) than unvaccinated adults."

You really believe that?

I think we should assume that he believes everything on the Expose Blog at this point.

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He can't back up that simple claim. He doesn't want to deal in actual facts.

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The vaccine is working exactly as I expected and expect it to work.

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Another liar identifies himself as such. Always good to know who you are dealing with.

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No one is trying to vaccinate you people, why are you still crying about it?

Those of us who vaxed don't regret it, and you guys profess to not regret NOT getting vaxed, so let's let everyone live with the sequela of their decision.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Do you, or do you not agree, that this experimental vaccine isn't working the way we were initially told

Yes, it is working as a vaccine should. Less death and less time sick.

The Covid vaxx is the literal definition of the word vaccine.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine

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I was right.

They ALTERED the definition of a vaccine to fit the Covid POS vaccine.

Don't you know that?

What a fool you are!

A vaccine NEVER had and NEVER WILL HAVE "less death and less time sick' in the definition!

LMAO!

Did you pull that out of your ass (along with fakefishkllers johnson)?

Yes...why yes you did!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

No, I see right through your attempt at distraction and whataboutisms.

There is no what-about, he stated facts and you don't like them, so you went into distraction.

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He's trying to use the attacks against him that hurt his feelings. It's not a whataboutism, it's an "I know you are but what am I?" Real sophisticated stuff.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.