Probably a good thing to try.

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The U.S. doesn't have much credibility anymore, the U.N. will not get involved in this.

"China, the European Union and others have called for restraint from all sides. Germany said the U.S. video was not enough to apportion blame for Thursday's attack." - Reuters

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

Credibility gone! The Japanese owner of one of the vessels attacked says the trump administration is putting out false info on the attacks.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

I genuinely don't think Iran has the balls to try a stunt like that. The straights are extremely important to the entire world. Shenanigans going down there could very well lead to all out war.

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Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971.

i read a couple of articles on that. he wasnt there so is speculating based on limited information. crew saw iranian naval vessel and reported taking projectile fire as well. video analysis by experts via media agencies have also said object removed by iranian vessel appears to match the mine. in short, too early for you to make such statements

this entire thing seems fishy across the board to me. why would the ship report taking projectile fire and why would the iranian naval ship there, if it was indeed them, shoot at a tanker? almost makes me think they knew the mine was there and tried to detonate it before the tanker hit it. of course then there is the other one to think about. anyhow playing mine games in that area is nothing new for iran. also, now we are claiming attacks by iran on two of our drones

Not too early, the trump administration's credibility was gone before this attack, they've been putting out lies on an hourly basis. Why would the owner of the tanker say something not true?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

i didn't say he did. not remotely

Are you aware of the U. S backed coup that overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and replaced it with a brutal dictatorship?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Didn't say you did say that, just asking a question. you need to ask "who gains what? in a situation like this.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

here is a timeline by cnn again, i prefer to wait for information. it is still coming out and not just from our country

google 1953 Iranian Coup for some perspective

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

google the consequences of jumping to conclusions based on limited information for some perspective

All3 made the point that we have been manipulating Iran and deciding the world since 1954.

The world has little basis to believe the Americans.

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“It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti

do you think I jumped to a conclusion?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

absolutely, you are about this incident. unless you have more information that you aren't revealing that hasn't been released to the world media yet of course

all3 is pretty spot on about the coup and the Shah and such, , ,

While going to FSU in 1976 one of our house-mates was an "activist"; perhaps far too left for my tastes but, , , , The anti-Shah Iranian students would meet at our house. They would come over the back fence with paper bags over their heads. The one house mate was fairly confused until I ask them to take a look at the big black sedan that would come and park in front, AKA "The Shah's Men"!!

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Dora Hates You

not debating that at all

I said the trump administration's credibility was gone. You think the world out there is just taking what he says as fact?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

of course not. nobody does except the most die hard trumpers. does that automatically means that someone who wasn't even there is completely correct about the situation and our country is lying as you implied? no. thus my comment about waiting for all the information to come out first

What I meant to imply was that-Our credibility is gone- it was gone before this incident. That is what happens when you continually lie. People and countries stop believing you. trump in particular, and the U.S. in general. Bush II 's war is another example. A real shame if it turns out Iran is behind this. It would be nice if the U.S. could lead the free world but at this point they look at trump and expect lies.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

ok. fair enough

The only credibility that is gone is in fact...YOURS!

LIAR!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Sorry Fishydude, I like to keep my credibility up, where did I lie?

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

You claimed that 'our credibility was gone'

It isn't gone....

Liar!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Creepy Mullet's credibility never existed. Bolton is an even more dangerous nihilist than fat sloppy bannons.
He helped create endless war for america before. Now he wants even more. (Somebody need to off this swine....)
Now he wants yet another excuse to get our beautiful young war fighters: aka the baddest motherfuckers on the planet.
Into yet another useless excuse for them to get shredded, maimed, and killed.
For absolutely no effective objective or purpose.....
sick.

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It's a democratic hoax

Edited: 06/16/2019 at 06:06 PM by nukeh2o

It can't be gone if it was never there in the first place.



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I was right.

Thats like the lie that America was never great.

You're an asshole.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Who said "America was never great?"

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 06/17/2019 at 03:53 PM by Fish Killer

If you didnt exclusively watch MSNBC you would know....

MORON!

This crapforbrains:

http://freebeacon.com/politics...rica-was-never-great/

And this turd:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/08/15/...that-great/index.html

Oh and then there is this asshole:

http://www.breitbart.com/polit...-great-as-advertised/





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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 06/17/2019 at 03:52 PM by Fish Killer

Well Mullet Spanker, here it is for ya: my america has always been great. Our constitution has been a shining beacon of governance for our entire world since it was written.
Your stinking traitorous orange messiah is who said (or was directed to say by his commissar political handlers) that somehow it had become somewhat less than great.
Yet another weak fishbot attempt at changing the subject.
From Bolton's latest attempt to keep us in needless, useless, endless war.
For no fucking factual reason.....

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It's a democratic hoax

Well, I think America is great, was great, and pretty much always has been great. Some things happen that aren't so great, but overall, GREAT.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Liar. Not what they said.

back on topic, this should look less like wag the dog now to some of you with that opinion now that merkel believes it was iran based on evidence. she and trump do not see eye to eye generally speaking

Edited: 06/19/2019 at 06:11 PM by RiddleMe

Could be Iran for sure, but I don't want to go to war over this.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

Don't want any Iranians killed over this.

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

hmm iran just shot down a us navy drone overnight. this is confirmed and iran admitted it. well diff news said it was air force but whatever

Edited: 06/20/2019 at 04:10 AM by RiddleMe

Had we stayed with the deal that we had with Iran and six other countries, none of this would be happening. Not to mention that Bolton and Pompeo are the worst two possible for this situation.

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Starting to get warmer and warmer over there, , , , shooting down a Global Hawk is no small provocation. We could soon see a little "tit for tat".

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Edited: 06/20/2019 at 05:40 AM by dingpatch

The Trump administration is using info from fake on-line accounts to make their case against Iran. It's looking like the troll originated in the US State Department.

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source? i need to catch up on the story. hmm cnn hasnt picked it up yet, they are usually all over it

Edited: 06/17/2019 at 06:11 AM by RiddleMe

http://www.motherjones.com/pol...twitter-iran-bots-mek/

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thanks cole. will have to read later, that site is blocked for some reason

That also fooled British intelligence.

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Trump was supposed to use the department to combat foreign born misinformation.

Trump is using it to spread misinformation.

Weapons of mass destruction 2.0. Wag the dog.

Vote them out.

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Edited: 06/17/2019 at 07:44 AM by Cole

funny thing about wag the dog. movie was about a fictional war in albania. the year the movie came out, i was literally a boot on the ground in albania for silver wake.

They are the ones trying to fool us. The B in BP stands for British Maybe read about the Iranian Coup of 1953

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"I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time"

got around the block. article didnt say anything about trolls originating in the state dept. interesting read none the less. now it is entirely possible that state is funding/directing these groups, but the article didn't link them or imply so. both iran and ncri playing cyber games

Edited: 06/17/2019 at 12:06 PM by RiddleMe

i know what point he was making, but thanks