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Created On: 09/17/2021 07:58 AM
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 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/17/2021 07:58 AM  
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 Just get vaccinated   - Greensleeves - 09/17/2021 09:20 AM  
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 Just get vaccinated   - 3rdworldlover - 09/17/2021 09:48 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Pagerow - 09/17/2021 10:02 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/17/2021 10:05 AM  
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 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/17/2021 11:19 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/17/2021 12:21 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/17/2021 12:46 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/17/2021 01:13 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tom - 09/17/2021 02:21 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/17/2021 02:29 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tom - 09/17/2021 06:26 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tom - 09/17/2021 06:32 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - 1974 - 09/17/2021 07:19 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Cole - 09/18/2021 04:32 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - wtf - 09/17/2021 10:13 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tom - 09/17/2021 10:47 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/17/2021 11:23 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/17/2021 11:28 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/17/2021 11:31 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Pagerow - 09/17/2021 11:34 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/17/2021 12:32 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - 1974 - 09/17/2021 12:41 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/17/2021 11:47 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tpapablo - 09/17/2021 02:24 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tpapablo - 09/17/2021 02:28 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/17/2021 11:29 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/17/2021 11:36 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - 1974 - 09/17/2021 11:44 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/17/2021 12:30 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Greensleeves - 09/17/2021 11:33 AM  
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 Just get vaccinated   - Cole - 09/20/2021 04:47 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - somebodyelse - 09/20/2021 05:11 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - somebodyelse - 09/20/2021 05:13 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Greensleeves - 09/20/2021 05:35 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/20/2021 05:36 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - somebodyelse - 09/20/2021 05:37 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - somebodyelse - 09/20/2021 05:46 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/20/2021 06:08 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - somebodyelse - 09/20/2021 06:07 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - somebodyelse - 09/20/2021 06:19 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/20/2021 06:22 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - somebodyelse - 09/20/2021 06:34 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - 1974 - 09/20/2021 06:45 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/20/2021 06:46 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tom - 09/20/2021 07:01 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - wtf - 09/20/2021 07:49 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/20/2021 08:17 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/20/2021 08:23 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/20/2021 08:56 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/20/2021 09:08 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/20/2021 09:18 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/20/2021 09:26 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/20/2021 09:55 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/20/2021 10:12 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/20/2021 10:53 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/20/2021 11:03 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/20/2021 12:17 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/20/2021 02:42 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/21/2021 12:41 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tpapablo - 09/21/2021 12:59 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/21/2021 01:06 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - 1974 - 09/21/2021 01:10 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tpapablo - 09/21/2021 01:14 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Cole - 09/21/2021 07:13 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/21/2021 04:11 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/21/2021 04:12 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/20/2021 01:00 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tpapablo - 09/20/2021 01:26 PM  
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 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/21/2021 06:03 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/22/2021 11:15 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/20/2021 12:48 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Lunchmeat - 09/20/2021 02:07 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/20/2021 02:43 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Sniper - 09/21/2021 05:49 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Cole - 09/21/2021 05:53 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/20/2021 12:45 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - surferclimber - 09/20/2021 08:01 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Lunchmeat - 09/20/2021 08:32 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - 1974 - 09/20/2021 10:01 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - follydude - 09/20/2021 10:06 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/20/2021 11:25 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tom - 09/21/2021 02:56 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Fish Killer - 09/21/2021 04:39 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/21/2021 12:56 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/21/2021 04:10 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/22/2021 04:17 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Bamboo - 09/22/2021 04:29 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tom - 09/22/2021 05:33 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Cole - 09/22/2021 05:40 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - moosejaw - 09/22/2021 05:52 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Cole - 09/22/2021 06:00 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - moosejaw - 09/22/2021 06:08 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Cole - 09/22/2021 06:12 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/22/2021 06:12 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - seaspray - 09/22/2021 06:53 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/22/2021 11:18 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/21/2021 05:30 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - RiddleMe - 09/21/2021 05:56 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Cole - 09/21/2021 05:59 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Greensleeves - 09/21/2021 06:13 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Cole - 09/21/2021 06:17 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Greensleeves - 09/21/2021 01:49 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Lunchmeat - 09/21/2021 02:08 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tpapablo - 09/21/2021 03:29 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - 1974 - 09/21/2021 04:01 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/21/2021 02:10 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - scombrid - 09/21/2021 04:15 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/21/2021 08:08 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - 1974 - 09/21/2021 08:13 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/21/2021 09:23 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Greensleeves - 09/21/2021 02:18 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/21/2021 02:21 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - RustyTruck - 09/22/2021 06:13 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Bamboo - 09/22/2021 06:31 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - moosejaw - 09/22/2021 06:46 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/22/2021 01:16 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/22/2021 01:20 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - OBX - 09/22/2021 01:23 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - jdbman - 09/22/2021 01:52 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/22/2021 02:03 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tpapablo - 09/22/2021 02:42 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - jdbman - 09/22/2021 03:23 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - tom - 09/22/2021 03:49 PM  
 Just get vaccinated   - Greensleeves - 09/23/2021 02:05 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - moosejaw - 09/23/2021 11:22 AM  
 Just get vaccinated   - HAPDigital - 09/23/2021 12:06 PM  
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OBX

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Originally posted by: scombrid Check with places with hospitals operating in "critical care" mode that are rationing care. People that need things like bypass surgery are getting turned away. You have multiple myeloma and need a marrow transplant. Go home and wait. The hospital is full. Appendicitis? Come back and see us if it bursts. Are you eager for regeneron while avoiding the vaccine? If so, why do you trust regeneron over the vaccine? If you think the medical establishment is lying to you about the vaccine are you going to forego treatment if you get sick? They can't be trusted at all right?
What if its the vaccinated causing the spread? And causing these beds to fill up? Here's a question, why is the rate of infection higher now, when more of the populace is vaccinated, then last year when there was no vaccine available? Even more interesting, the rate of infection is higher, yet the deaths are lower? Is it possible the answer is the vaccinated are spreading it, and we're learning how to treat it? (Which the latter would negate the cry out for vaccines, no?) And, BTW, anyone comparing Covid to Polio are absolute morons. Unless your thinking "If everyone is vaccinated the COVID will disappear".....which still makes you a moron.

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 09/17/2021 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by: OBX What if its the vaccinated causing the spread?
It's not. Vaccinated people are less likely to get infected and those that do have a shorter infectious period.
why is the rate of infection higher now, when more of the populace is vaccinated, then last year when there was no vaccine available?
Different behavior. Everybody took off their masks and went back to the restaurants, theaters, etc... Right at the same time that a more contagious variant came along.
Even more interesting, the rate of infection is higher, yet the deaths are lower?
Younger cohort of infected since the oldsters have the highest vaccination rate, most of the people that are catching it are under 65 now. And treatments have improved.
and we're learning how to treat it? (Which the latter would negate the cry out for vaccines, no?)
Learning how to treat it doesn't negate the need to vaccinate. Not when, for example, Parrish Medical Centers had one covid death in June, four in July, and 50 in August and its president is on the radio almost every day begging people to get vaccinated and telling the world how bad it is for his burned out employees. Better treatment doesn't seem to be helping overwhelmed hospitals anywhere right now.

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Originally posted by: scombrid
Originally posted by: OBX What if its the vaccinated causing the spread?
It's not. Vaccinated people are less likely to get infected and those that do have a shorter infectious period.
why is the rate of infection higher now, when more of the populace is vaccinated, then last year when there was no vaccine available?
Different behavior. Everybody took off their masks and went back to the restaurants, theaters, etc... Right at the same time that a more contagious variant came along.
Even more interesting, the rate of infection is higher, yet the deaths are lower?
Younger cohort of infected since the oldsters have the highest vaccination rate, most of the people that are catching it are under 65 now. And treatments have improved.
and we're learning how to treat it? (Which the latter would negate the cry out for vaccines, no?)
Learning how to treat it doesn't negate the need to vaccinate. Not when, for example, Parrish Medical Centers had one covid death in June, four in July, and 50 in August and its president is on the radio almost every day begging people to get vaccinated and telling the world how bad it is for his burned out employees. Better treatment doesn't seem to be helping overwhelmed hospitals anywhere right now.
Ok, so you're attributing the increase in infection rate because of behavior. Thats fair. Then we should see a drastic difference in infection per 1000 between states like Florida (who has been open) and California (who has been locked down), right? And if there is no difference, or minimal at best. Pretty much kills that hypothesis, no? But again, the topic is too stop demonizing and blaming people who choose not to get vaccinated because you are afraid. You're being manipulated to do so, just another topic to drive in the wedge.....

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Edited: 09/17/2021 at 12:26 PM by OBX
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Originally posted by: OBX What if its the vaccinated causing the spread?
It isn't. But you think it is or you wouldn't be JAQing off like this.
And causing these beds to fill up? Here's a question, why is the rate of infection higher now, when more of the populace is vaccinated, then last year when there was no vaccine available? Even more interesting, the rate of infection is higher, yet the deaths are lower? Is it possible the answer is the vaccinated are spreading it, and we're learning how to treat it? (Which the latter would negate the cry out for vaccines, no?)
This gets you labelled anti-vaxx. You are dealing in unsubstantiated What-Ifs that you seek so support your position while you ignore data. Then when you are presented with numbers in rates you come back with absolute numbers from population of very different sizes. You are dealing in what-ifs and insults so that drives how people respond to you.

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